她早上几点起的啊？
那时候我没跟她在一起 s在
大小姐起得很早嘛
良心不安
哈 你是说她有良心
可能吧
你还爱着她
准备好了吗 You ready?
忽略麦克风就好了 No, just... Yeah, just-just gnore the microphone.
就当它不存在 Yeah, just-just act as if it's not there.
就像不用它在唱 Sing as if it's not there.
好 Yeah, uh...
可以吗 Okay?
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翻译 by 生麦丨月下青釉丨Z.丨Elaine Zhao丨rururu 絮把叨丨纤维丨一碗丨叶子丨阿磨
校对 by 一碗丨啊丸
压制 by 啊丸
- 准备好了吗 -Ready for them?
- 好了 -Yes.
上吧 Let's go.
大家齐聚在这里 ADAM GOPNIK: If you're here,then you already know
ADAM GOPNIK：美国作家和散文家, 《纽约客》杂志的作家, 在影片中他本色客串
想必已经知道这位的大名 who she is, and that is oneof the most important
她是当代最重要的音乐巨匠 musical figures of our time.
莉蒂亚·塔尔有很多身份 Lydia Tár is many things:
是柯蒂斯音乐学院钢琴演奏系的毕业生 a piano performance graduateat the Curtis Institute,
Curtis Institute： 柯蒂斯音乐学院, 世界著名音乐学院, 位于美国费城
是哈佛的优等生荣誉学会成员 Phi Beta Kappa from Harvard.
她在维也纳大学拿到了音乐学博士学位 She got her PhD in Musicologyfrom the University of Vienna,
专攻秘鲁东部的 specializing inthe indigenous music
乌卡亚利土著音乐 of the Ucayali Valleyin Eastern Peru,
Ucayali Valley：乌卡亚利河谷, 位于秘鲁东部
她在那里用了五年 where she spent five years
与当地的西匹波·柯尼波族人交流 among the Shipibo-Konibo people.
Shipibo-Konibo：秘鲁亚马逊雨林中乌卡亚利河的原住民族
她的指挥生涯 As a conductor,Tár began her career
Cleveland Orchestra：是美国俄亥俄州克利夫兰的一支管弦乐团, 它是美国五大管弦乐团之一 也是世界上最优秀的管弦乐团之一, 并被认为是美国最“欧化”的乐团。
从“五大乐团”之一的克利夫兰管弦乐团开启 with the Cleveland Orchestra,one of the so-called"Big Five."
随后在一系列名乐团指挥 A string ofimportant posts followed,
包括费城管弦乐团 includingthe Philadelphia Orchestra,
芝加哥交响乐团 the Chicago Symphony Orchestra,
波士顿交响乐团 the Boston Symphony Orchestra,
以及正在执棒的纽约爱乐乐团 until she at last arrived hereat our ownNew York Philharmonic.
在纽约爱乐 她组织了“第十公路”难民音乐会 With the latter, she organized the Highway 10refugee concerts in Zaatari,
Zaatari：扎塔里, 世界上最大的叙利亚难民营, 位于约旦
吸引了超过七万五千名观众出席 which were attendedby over 75,000 people.
她尤其以指挥当代音乐而著名 She's become particularlywell-known for commissioningcontemporary work
Jennifer Higdon：詹妮弗·希格顿, 美国当代古典音乐作曲家, 格莱美得奖者
Caroline Shaw：卡罗琳·肖, 美国作曲家、小提琴手, 格莱美得奖者
这些作品的作曲家包括詹妮佛·西格顿 卡罗琳·肖 from, among others,Jennifer Higdon, Caroline Shaw,
朱莉亚·沃夫 以及希尔德·古纳多提尔 Julia Wolfeand Hildur Gudnadóttir.
Julia Wolfe：朱莉亚·沃尔夫, 纽约大学的美国作曲家兼音乐教授
Hildur Gudnadóttir：希尔迪·居兹纳多蒂尔, 冰岛音乐人, 为本片制作配乐
她特意将这些作曲名家的作品编排在一起 And she's made a pointof programming their works alongside composersof the canon.
有人转述她的话 She's been quoted as saying,
说“这些作曲家在进行一场对话 "These composersare having a conversation
当中有些话可能不太礼貌” and it may not alwaysbe so polite."
莉蒂亚·塔尔亦为舞台与荧幕作品作曲 Lydia Tár has also writtenmusic for the stage and screen.
她是15位EGOT的一员 She is in fact one of only 15so-called EGOTs, meaning those
也就是获得了四项主要的娱乐类奖项 who have won all fourmajor entertainment awards:
艾美奖 格莱美奖 奥斯卡 和托尼奖的人之一 an Emmy, a Grammy,an Oscar and a Tony.
EGOT获得者 如你能想象到的 It is, as you can imagine,
是一条简短而辉煌的名单 an extremely shortand shimmering list
包括理查德·罗杰斯 奥黛丽·赫本 that includes Richard Rodgers,Audrey Hepburn,
Richard Rogers：理查德·罗杰斯，是美国杰出的流行音乐及音乐剧作曲家
Andrew Lloyd Webber：安德鲁·劳埃德·韦伯，英国音乐剧作曲家
Mel Brooks：梅尔·布鲁克斯, 美国电影导演、编剧、作曲家、作词家、喜剧演员和制片人
安德鲁·韦伯 还有梅尔·布鲁克斯 Andrew Lloyd Webberand, of course, Mel Brooks.
2010年 在艾略特·卡布兰的支持下 GOPNIK: In 2010, withthe support of Eliot Kaplan,
她创立了手风琴指挥家学会 she founded the Accordion Conducting Fellowship,
为女性指挥家们孵化商业及表演机会 which fosters entrepreneurship and performance opportunities
为她们与世界一流的乐团 for female conductors,allowing them residencies
创造合作的机会 with major orchestras around the world.
2013年 柏林爱乐乐团选定塔尔为 In 2013, Berlin elected Táras its principal conductor,
接任安德利·戴维斯的首席指挥 in succession to Andris Davis,
自那以后 她一直留任于斯 and she's remained there ever since.
就像她的导师 莱昂纳多·伯恩斯坦一样 Like her mentor,Leonard Bernstein,
Leonard Bernstein：伦纳德·伯恩斯坦, 犹太裔美国作曲家、指挥家、作家、音乐教育家、钢琴家
塔尔对于马勒有着特别的兴趣 Tár has a particular affinity for Mahler,
Mahler：古斯塔夫·马勒, 奥地利作曲家、指挥家
在“五大”期间 whose nine symphonies she recorded
她录制了马勒的九部交响曲 during her Big Five stints.
然而 她从未与同一个乐团完成 However, she never managed to complete
一个所谓圆满的“环” the so-called "cycle" with a single orchestra until now.
在她的领导下 Under her direction,
柏林爱乐乐团完成了八部马勒交响曲的录制 Berlin has recorded eight of the Mahler symphonies,
只留下了第五号作品未完成 saving the big one,Symphony No. 5, for last.
那场演出本被安排在去年 Due to the pandemic, that performance,
但由于流行病疫情而取消 which was scheduled for last year, had to be canceled.
但我得知 下个月 But I'm told that next month,
她将进行马五的现场录制 she'll make a live recording of Mahler's Fifth,
Mahler's Fifth：第5号交响曲乃古斯塔夫·马勒的第5首交响曲作品
从而使”环“合上 which will complete the cycle
并由德意志留声机公司发行盒装唱片 and will be issued in a box set by Deutsche Grammophon
以此庆祝马勒的诞辰 just in time for Mahler's birthday.
说了这么多还不够 她的新书《塔尔谈塔尔》 As if that's not enough, her new book, Tár on Tár,
将由南·塔莱斯于道布尔书局出版 will be published by Nan Talese's imprint at Doubleday,
Nan Talese：南·塔莱斯, 退休的美国编辑, 也是纽约出版业的资深人士
刚好赶在圣诞节 是一个绝佳的礼物 just in time for Christmas, a perfect stocking stuffer,
尤其是装礼物的袜子够大的时候 especially if you have a very large stocking.
《纽约客》欢迎你 All of us at The New Yorker welcome you.
谢谢你今天的到来 大师 Thank you for joining us,Maestro, today.
谢谢 亚当 谢谢你 Thank you, Adam. Thank you.
谢谢 --Thank you.
莉蒂亚 Lydia, I couldn't...
当我读您的简历时 我不禁察觉到您有一丝退缩 I couldn't help but see you flinch just a little bit as I was reading your bio.
是因为我遗漏了其它的一些成就吗? Was it because I forgot some other amazing achievement?
还是说你对自己所做的 Or do you have a slight self-consciousness
如此多样的事情 about the incredibly varied things
都带一丝自我意识呢 that you've accomplished?
时至今日 “多样”是一个脏字了 Well, in today's world,"varied," it-it's a dirty word.
我的意思是 我们的事业专业性很强 I mean, our era is one of specialists,
如果你试图做多于一件事 and if you're trying to do more than one thing,
那别人可能就会皱起眉头 it's, you know,it's often frowned upon.
每一位艺术家都有自己的专长 Every artist gets typecast.
噢 是的 非常对 Oh, yes. Aggressively so.
不过 你觉得将来会不会有这么一个时刻 Well, do you think there'll be a moment, though,
是古典音乐界 when the classical music community,
不再用性别来区分艺术家们的呢 uh, decides not to use sexual distinctions to differentiate artists?
这个可能你问错人了 I'm probably the wrong person to ask
因为我从来不读评论 since I don't, uh, read reviews.
- 从来不读吗 真的吗 - 是的 -Never, really?-No.
但有件事很怪 不知道有没有人觉得 But it is odd, I-I think, that anyone ever felt compelled
用“女音乐家”来代替“音乐家”是迫不得已 to substitute"maestro" with "maestra."
因为我们也不会称女性宇航员为“宇航媛” I mean, we don't call women astronauts "astronettes."
唔 对 - Mm-hmm. Right.
但回到问题上 唔 性别歧视 But as to the question of, uh, gender bias,
我确实没什么可以抱怨的 I really have nothing to complain about.
Marin Alsop：马琳·阿尔索普, 美国指挥家与小提琴家
JoAnn Falletta：乔安·法莱塔, 美国指挥家
同样的还有马琳·阿尔索普 乔安·法莱塔 Nor, for that matter, should Marin Alsop, JoAnn Falletta,
罗伦斯·艾姬比 和娜塔丽·斯图兹曼 uh, Laurence Equilbey and Nathalie Stutzmann.
Laurence Equilbey：罗伦斯·艾姬比, 法国指挥家 Nathalie Stutzmann：娜塔丽·斯图兹曼, 法国女低音和指挥家
我是说 有那么多出众的女性 I mean, there's so many incredible women
珠玉在前 who came before us.
那批女性才是真正的开拓先驱 You know, women who did the-the real lifting.
那真的太了不起了 That-that's fascinating.
能不能 比如说谁呢 Can you... Who, for instance?
噢 好的 当然了 Uh, okay, sure.
第一个要说的是娜迪亚·布朗热 Uh, first and foremost, Nadia Boulanger.
Nadia Boulanger：娜迪亚·布朗热, 法国音乐教育家、作曲家、指挥家
我是说 那会是一个开心的例子 I mean, that would be the, uh, happy example.
悲伤的例子则是安东尼娅·布里科 Uh, the sad one would be Antonia Brico,
Antonia Brico：安东尼娅·布里科, 美国荷兰裔指挥家 1933年，布里科与音乐家交响乐团合作 在大都会歌剧院演出两次, 广受好评 但第三次演出被迫取消, 原因是男中音约翰·查尔斯·托马斯 以女性指挥家会转移观众注意力为由, 拒绝参演 1934年, 布里科成立了全由女性乐手组成的女子交响乐团 （Women's Symphony Orchestra） 后来加入了部分男性乐手, 1939年改名为布里科交响乐团 但是该乐队运营了一年便告终止 1938年7月, 布里科成为首个指挥纽约爱乐的女性
她的语录: 我不自认为是一名女性指挥家……而是一名恰好是女性的指挥家 （I do not call myself a woman conductor… I call myself a conductor who happens to be a woman）
她是一位绝佳的指挥 who by all accounts was an incredible conductor
但被归类为没有魅力那一档次 but was ghettoized into the non-glamorous status
那就是“客席指挥” of a "guest conductor"
结果就被当猴戏看 and essentially treated as a dog act.
猴 额 她一直没有机会 A dog...Uh, she never got the chance
真正领导一个乐团吗 to lead a major orchestra?
有的 她指挥过 Well, yes.Yes, she did, uh, conduct
柏林爱乐乐团和纽约大都会乐团 the, uh, Berlin Philharmonic, as well as the Met,
但是只是作为客席指挥 but, again, only as a guest conductor.
其实在当时 You know, at, I mean, at that time it was...
一切都戴着性别有色眼镜 it was all gender spectacle.
但幸运的是 时代变了 But fortunately, times change,
这种地位互换是 and-and the Pauline conversion is...
- 互换 - 如果这个过程还没完成 "Pauline..."-... if not complete,
那就是正在进行中 then it's-it's evolving nicely.
如果没有中途夭折的话 N-No less, um,having fallen off its horse.
唔 莉蒂亚 我们能不能聊聊转译 Um, Lydia, could we talk a little bit about, uh, translation?
因为我相信始终有些人 'Cause I think there's still people
还以为指挥家只是打打拍子 who think of the conductor as a kind of human metronome.
其实也有一定道理 Well, yeah,that's-that's partly true.
- 好的 但 - 对 但掌控时间 -Yeah, but it's...-But keeping time,
不是一件简单的小事 it's-it's no small thing.
但我认为远不止这么简单 But I suspect there's a lot more to it than that.
是的 我也是这么希望的 Yeah, well,I-I would hope so, yes.
但掌控时间是最重要的 But time is the thing.
时间是这种转译中最本质的东西 Time is-is the essential piece of, uh, interpretation.
离了我 你们没法开始 You cannot start without me.
看到了吗 是我让时钟转动 See, I start the clock.
现在 我的左手做出手势 但我的右手 Now, my left hand shapes, but my right hand,
第二手 标记着时间并使其前进 the second hand, marks time and moves it forward.
但与时钟不同的是 有时候我的第二手停止了 However, unlike a clock, sometimes my second hand stops,
意味着时间停止了 which means that time stops.
这时 有种假象是 就像对你们 Now, the illusion is that, like you,
我是对着乐团作出即时反应 I'm responding to the orchestra in real time...
- 是的 是的 - 以此决定在哪个时刻 -Right, right. -... making the decision about the right moment
来使一切再次开始 或者重新出发 to restart the thing,or reset it,
又或是全情忘记了时间 or throw time out the window altogether.
但事实是 在一切开始之前 The reality is that right from the very beginning,
我就精确地知道那个时刻在哪里 I know precisely what time it is...
- 真的吗 这 - 而且我还知道在什么时候 -Really? That's...-... and the exact moment
我和你会同时在终点汇合 that you and I will arrive at our destination together.
对我来说 真正的发现 You know, the only real,uh, discovery for me
发生在彩排中 is in rehearsal.
从来就不是在表演当中 It's never, never in performance.
我知道这个问题有点难 但如果要你说一件 Hard question, I know, but if you could define one thing
伯恩斯坦教给你的东西 那会是什么呢 that Bernstein gave you, what would it be?
Kavvanah
是的 这是希伯来语的一个单词 Yeah, it's-it's the Hebrew word
意思是专注或意图 for attention to meaning or-or intent.
就是作曲家的意图是什么 You know, what are the composer's priorities,
听众的意图是什么 它们又如何互为补充 and what are yours, and how do they complement one another?
好的 kavvanah 我想这个词 Right, kavvanah. I think that's a word that will have
Kavvana：希伯来语, 犹太教中的一个神学概念, 字面意思是“意图”或“真诚的感觉, 心灵的方向”
它的意味与我们观众中的许多人想的有些不一样 a slightly different meaning for many in our audience.
是的是的 我想是这样 Well, yes, yes, I imagine so.
不知道我想的是否正确 Am I right in thinking that a conductor
指挥并不是伴随古典音乐的出现而出现在舞台上, 对吗 was not always, uh, an on stage presence n classical music?
没错 No, that's right.
我记得我读到过 I-I think I read some place that it actually was
在很长一段时间里是小提琴首席负责的 the first violin, for a longtime, who was responsible.
是的 是首席小提琴手 不管他们是否有兴趣 Yes, the first violinist, whether they had any interest
或是有能力来指挥 or-or skill in it or not.
那是什么时候改变了这种现象 是谁改的呢 Wh-When did that change, and-and who changed it?
是通过过作曲家 让-巴蒂斯特·吕利 With the French composer,Jean-Baptiste Lully,
Jean-Baptiste Lully：让-巴蒂斯特·吕利, 意大利出生的法国巴洛克作曲家, 路易十四的宫廷乐正
据说他用一个 who reportedly, uh, used a, uh, rather enormous,
巨大的锐利的东西来在地上敲出节拍 rather pointy staff to pound the tempi into the floor.
这个举动 我想乐手们应该不会很欣赏 It's not something I imagine the players particularly, uh, appreciated.
不管怎么说 这项技法在一次演出过程中戛然而止 Uh, anyway, uh, that technique ended during a performance
因为吕利不小心插中了自己的脚 最后死了 when Lully accidentally stabbed himself in the foot with the thing and died.
就是这样的 因为伤口溃烂了 Yeah, of-of-of gangrene.
不管话说回来 But anyway...
真的 Yeah.
话说回来 其实指挥家 Anyway, but the conductor
真正变成必要的人物是因为乐团配置规模变大了 really becomes essential as the ensembles get bigger.
还有就是 又一次地 我们要提到贝多芬 And once again, we go back to Beethoven.
（第五号交响曲《命运》） ♪ Buh, buh, buh, bum, buh, buh, buh, bum. ♪
因为那不是从那个八分音符开始的 Now, that doesn't start with the eighth note.
这个强拍 The downbeat--♪ Buh, buh, buh -- ♪
它是无声的 对吗 it's silent, right?
所以要有人来启动时钟 So someone had to start that clock.
要有人来把旗子插到沙堆里 Someone had to, uh, plant their flag in the sand
并说 ‘跟我来’ and say, "Follow me," you know?
当那个人是伯恩斯坦的时候 And when that someone was Lenny, the orchestra was led
乐团会被带领着进行一趟最美好的旅程 on the most extraordinary tour of pleasures.
因为他了解音乐 尤其是马勒 'Cause he knew the music,Mahler especially,
比任何人都更深 as well or better than anyone.
他时常玩弄着形式 And he would often play with the form.
因为他希望乐团去感受闻所未闻, 见所未见 'Cause he wanted an orchestra to feel that they had never seen, let alone heard
更没有演奏过的音乐 or-or performed any of that music.
所以他会做一些激进的事 So he-he would do radical things,
比如说无视音乐原速 like, uh, disregarding the tempo primo
tempo primo：音乐术语, 还原速度
或者以忽慢结束一个乐句 or-or ending this phrase molto ritardando,
molto ritardand：音乐术语, 渐慢很多
尽管乐谱上完全没有这样的标记符号 even though it had no such marking.
那会是做得太过了吗 Was he over-egging it?
噢不不不 完全不会 Oh, no, no, no. Not at all.
他是在庆祝发现的喜悦 He, he, he celebrated the joy of his discovery.
你刚刚说 You just told us a moment ago
你的发现是发生在彩排途中的 that your discovery takes place in rehearsal.
这个过程什么时候会再发生呢 When will that process begin again for you?
我们周一开始排练 We start on Monday.
- 马上就开始吗 - 嗯 -Immediately?-Mm.
指挥这部作品 With this one,it really is about
是真的要从蛛丝马迹中研究马勒的意图了 trying to read the tea leaves of-of Mahler's intention.
我的意思是 我们知道以从 I mean, we know a great deal about this
很多关于他其它交响曲的事 with his other symphonies.
他很受吕克特的诗启发 You know, he was so inspired by the poetry of Rückert
Rückert：弗里卓克·呂克特, 德国诗人
有很多年他都没有设立过别的音乐主题 that for years he didn't set another author to music.
但以来的马五 一切都变了 But all of this changes with the Five.
马五是个谜团 The Five is a mystery.
他留给我们唯一的线索 And the only clue he leaves us
就在原稿封面上 is on the cover of the manuscript itself.
Alma：阿尔玛马勒, 奥地利作曲家、作家、编辑、社会名流，古斯塔夫马勒的伴侣, 曾也是指挥家
是的 写着献给他的新婚妻子阿尔玛 Yes, the-the dedication to his new wife, Alma.
所以如果你要通过 So if you're gonna partner with Mahler
第五交响曲来走近马勒 on his, uh, fifth symphony,
你第一件要做的事 the first thing you must do
就是理解那段复杂的婚姻 is try to understand that very complex marriage.
那你会说你对那段婚姻的理解 And would you say that you havea different interpretation
会与伯恩斯坦的不一样吗 of that marriage than Bernstein did?
你提到了我在亚马逊丛林做的民族志学田野调查 You mentioned my ethnographic fieldwork in the Amazon.
ethnographic：民族志学是人类学和社会学的分支 一种写作文本和田野调查作业方式. 注重于社群研究, 记录社群文化的文字或影响
亚当 西匹波·柯尼波族人 Well, Adam, the Shipibo-Konibo
只有歌手在场的时候 only receive an icaro, or song,
才能听到一首icaro 歌曲 是吗 if the singer is there, right?
与创作者的意志相重合 On the same side of the-the spirit that-that created it.
这样 过去与现在完美重合 And in that way, the past and the present converge.
这恰好是大千世界展示出的另一面 It's the flip sides of the same cosmic coin.
这种忠诚度是我所赞同的 That definition of fidelity makes sense to me.
但伯恩斯坦所信奉的是teshuvah But Lenny, he believed in teshuvah.
Teshuvah：希伯来语, 字面意为“回归”, 犹太教中描述回归上帝, 并与我们的同胞通过忏悔我们的罪而成为可能
《塔木德经》中回到过去的力量 The Talmudic power to reach back into time
Talmudic：《塔木德》是犹太教中地位仅次于《塔纳赫》的宗教文献 源于公元前2世纪至公元5世纪间, 记录了犹太教的律法、条例和传统
使一个人的生命中 and-and transform the, uh, significance
重要之事转变 of one's past deeds.
所以当他在肯尼迪的葬礼上演奏柔板时 So when he played the Adagietto at Robert Kennedy's funeral,
Robert Kennedy：罗伯特·弗朗西斯·“博比”·肯尼迪, 美国政治人物，民主党员 曾任美国司法部长、纽约州国会参议员, 为现代美国自由主义的标志性人物
那足足有十二分钟长 it ran for 12 minutes.
他把它看作整体 -He treated it as a mass.
如果你去听那段录音 And, you know, if you listen to a recording of it,
你一定能感受到那种悲伤与哀婉 you will no doubt feel the tragedy and-and the pathos.
当然 那种 And of course that, uh, interpretation
对马勒生命后期的诠释是十分真实的 was very true for Mahler later in life,
事业失败 after the professional bottom dropped out
阿尔玛为了格洛佩斯离开了他 and Alma had left him for Gropius.
但正如我刚刚所说的 我们在和时间打交道 But, as I said before,we are dealing with time.
这首曲子并不是为了剜心之痛而诞生的 And this piece was not born into aching tragedy.
而是为了年轻的爱而诞生 It was born into young love.
那你的选择是 And so you chose...
爱 Love.
好的 不过确切来说有多长呢 Right, but precisely how long?
嗯 Well...
七分钟 seven minutes.
我被你对亚当说的话深深触动了 I was so taken by what you said to Adam
关于转译的那部分 about, um, interpretation
尤其是关于感觉的那些话 and specifically about feelings,
还有你对爱的选择 and that you chose love.
我知道按理说眼泪应该让观众来流 And I know it's said that you should leave the tears for the audience
但你有没有过被情绪征服的时刻呢 do you ever find yourself overwhelmed by emotion
就是当你站在指挥台上的时候 when you're up thereat the podium?
有 Yes.
是有这样的事情发生 Yes, that does happen.
会有一个期望效应 There's an...an expectation-reward cycle
有的作品里会有一些乐段 with some works and the spots in them
是我觉得异常出色的 于是我指挥的时候 that I find so incredible, that when I'm conducting,
不是说我故意赶时间 it's not that I'm rushing exactly,
但我会等不及去到那个乐段 but, oh, I just can't wait to get to that spot,
所以是的 每次都会 and, yeah, it does it.It does it every time.
所以既是身体上又是情感上的反应咯 So it's physical as well as emotional.
天啊 肯定需要花上几个小时才能回过神来吧 God, it must take hours to come back down to earth.
你会说一些话 日后别人记得 自己却不记得 You say things after others remember, but you won't.
而且没可能睡着觉 And sleep, it's impossible.
就跟我在史密斯学院读大一的时候一样 It's like my freshman year at Smith.
哪首曲子会有这样的效果呢 Which piece does that to you?
噢 我看见你了 Oh, I saw you.
我看到你在指挥《春之祭》 I saw you conduct, uh,The Rite of Spring
The Rite of Spring：《春之祭》, 副标题为《俄罗斯异教徒的图景》 是俄罗斯作曲家伊戈尔·斯特拉文斯基于1910-1913年间创作的芭蕾舞剧及管弦乐作品
去年在大都会 at the Met last year.
非常有力量 It was so powerful.
谢谢谢谢 Thank you. Thank you.
那十一响枪声 It's...It's the 11 pistol shots--
十一是一个质数 it's a prime number--
它让你成为受害者同时又是凶手 that strike you as both victim and perpetrator.
直到指挥了那部作品 You know, it's not untilI conducted it
我才相信了 我们都有能力杀人 that I became convinced we're all capable of murder.
顺带一提 这个包很漂亮 That is a fantastic handbag,by the way.
谢谢 我很高兴你喜欢它 Thank you.I'm glad you like it.
噢 我真的很喜欢 Oh, I do. I do.
不好意思 你约了卡布兰先生吃午餐 Sorry.Your lunch with Mr. Kaplan.
他的司机在等了 His driver is waiting.
好的 All right.
不好意思 我忘了你的名字 I-I'm sorry,I've forgotten your name.
- 惠特尼 惠特尼·里丝- 惠特尼 -Whitney. Whitney Reese.-Whitney.
惠特尼 是的 Whitney, of course.
真不好意思 I'm, I'm so sorry,
不幸的是我快迟到了 and unfortunately I've left things a bit late
有些事我也身不由己 and there's something I can't get out of.
我能理解 I understand.
我可以给你发短信吗 Can I text you?
看看我见到了什么？
多明戈的房间
她觉得自己在讽刺
完美 奥尔多 It's perfect, Aldo.
我还想着我们可以庆祝一把 Oh. I was hoping we could celebrate.
不了 我也想 No. So was I.
我在茱莉亚还有堂课要上 I've got a class at Juilliard.
The Juilliard School：茱莉亚学院是世界顶尖的专业艺术学院 专门培养从事音乐演奏、创作的高级人才, 录取率极低
不错啊 Oh, good.
我答应了 本 I promised Ben.
你肯定会碰上点争夺手风琴学会名额的小摩擦 I'm sure you'll have a few elbowing for an Accordion slot.
我们应该扩招 We should open up the fellowship.
什么 增加人数吗 不 我指性别 -What, expand our numbers?-No, our sex.
就是 只局限在单一性别上感觉很古怪 I mean, it feels quaint to keep things single-gender.
我们已经证明了自己 We've made our point.
而且说实话 我们没遇上过什么大问题 And, honestly,we've had no real trouble
给她们都谋得了好去处 successfully placing any of them.
除了一个 Except one.
哦 她 Oh, well.
她有点毛病 She had issues.
我也听说了 So I've heard.
每次和花旗银行开会 她父亲都会提起这个事 The topic comes up in every Citibank meeting with her father
.
不好意思 I'm sorry about that.
没事 It's fine.
不是什么我处理不了的事 It's nothing I can't handle.
所以 你是想彻底破坏手风琴学会的创立原则 So, you want to torpedo Accordion's founding principle?
我们很可能会损失资助人 We'd likely lose donors.
是啊 你说得是 Yeah, I suppose that's true.
不如先放着 容当后议 M-Maybe it's something we revisit down the line
好 -.-Sure.
我看看 布莱恩特公园25号会清场 Now, Bryant Park's locked for the 25th.
南找我帮忙填补空座 Nan asked me to help fill the place,
所以卡普兰基金会去购买一些广播 so the Kaplan Fund is gonna buy some radio
和户外广告 and outdoor advertising.
还有喝彩的群演 And claqueurs.
场地太大了 艾略特 It's too big, Eliot.
她该订河畔书店 She should have booked the Strand.
the Strand：纽约最大的非商业化书店
放松点 Relax.
效果会很好的 It'll be great.
而且还差不多是你生日前后 And it almost falls on your birthday.
我很 很遗憾你没能出席 I was, uh, I was sorry you weren't able to make it
我在伦敦指挥的马勒三 to my Mahler Three in London.
我也是 Me, too.
佩特拉学校里有活动 Uh, Petra had a school thing.
我答应了莎朗一定会去 Uh, and I promised Sharon I'd be there.
当然 Of course.
我只是想听听你的真实想法 I was just hopingfor your honest opinion.
我的乐手打分表破了纪录 My player rating sheets were off the charts.
那些是保密的 艾略特 Those are confidential, Eliot.
双簧管首席是我的超级粉丝 Well, the principal oboist is a big fan.
在回去的路上 On the way back,
我听了你和以色列爱乐合作的马勒三 I was listening to yours with the Israeli Phil,
你在最后一章 从弦乐里引导的东西狠狠地冲击到了我 and I was struck by what you managed to pull from the strings in the last movement
我想问 你怎么让他们做到的 I mean, how did you get them there?
是因为那个厅 Was it the hall?
还是那些乐手 Was it the players?
那些乐手可不怎么配合 The players weren't very obliging.
在第一次排练后 那位首席小提琴手走到我面前 The principal violinist came up to me after the first rehearsal
-问我你是不是犹太人 -什么 -and asked if I was a Jew.-What?
看来他觉得 一个非犹太人会有兴趣指挥犹太音乐 It seemed to him unusual, if not suspicious, that a non-Jew
这简直太不寻常了 甚至很可疑 would be interested in conducting Jewish music.
我感觉自己就像马克斯布鲁赫 -Felt like Max Bruch
Max Bruch:马克斯布鲁赫 德国浪漫主义作曲家、小提琴家、教师及指挥家 因代表作之一以犹太民俗音乐为灵感来源的《希伯莱晚祷》被误以为是犹太人
我是个正宗犹太人 所以卡普兰基金 Well, big Jew that I am,the Kaplan Fund has, uh,
提供了克莱兹梅尔委员会一笔很客观的金额 committed a sizable amount to them for a klezmer commission
Klezmer：克莱兹默是东欧德裔阿什肯纳兹犹太人的传统器乐 最初起源于犹太婚礼及和其他庆祝仪式上使用的舞蹈音乐
嗯哼 -.-Mm-hmm.
或许他们会邀请我去当客座指挥 Uh, maybe they'll invite me to guest conduct.
那是他们的幸运 Oh, well, they'd be lucky to have you.
算了吧 Oh, please.
我知道自己几斤几两 I know my place.
钱没法买来所有东西 Money can't always buy you everything.
你可不是真信这话 You don't really believe that.
跟你说吧 我试过贿赂弗兰切斯卡 I'll have you know I tried to bribe Francesca
让我看看你谱子上的标注 to let me look at your notation.
她给我发了外皮 She sent me packing.
好姑娘 Good girl.
那边和地精摆设坐在一起的男士 That gentleman sitting over there with the gnome
gnome：地精以尖帽、宝库和踪迹诡秘等特点闻名 是中世纪时对于当时犹太人的刻板印象
在很急切地朝我们桌看 is urgently focused on our table.
一开始 我以为他是在看我 At first, I thought he was looking at me,
但我觉得他其实是在看你 but I think he's got his eye on you.
请你尝试无视他 Please try and ignore him.
我可以暂且离席去洗手 I can excuse myself and go wash my hands
如果你想要独处的话 if you'd like to be alone.
那我一辈子也不会原谅你 And I would never forgive you.
我最不想要的就是被一个和我完全一样的人堵在这儿 The last thing I need is to be buttonholed in hereby someone exactly like me.
你明天几点走 Uh, what time are you leaving tomorrow?
弗兰切斯卡在看航班 Francesca's looking into flights.
让她别看了 Well, call her off.
你想什么时候走都行 Leave when you like.
不必这么客气 You don't have to do that.
我动机不纯 My motives are not entirely altruistic.
就一眼 让我看眼你的指挥谱 Just one peek. One peek at your performing score.
好吧 Fine.
5:15行不行 当然 -Would 5:15 be okay?-Sure.
好 我确实得 我必须尽快回去 Okay, I mean, I do... I have to get turned around fast.
我们在招一个新人补缺 We're filling a vacant position.
请告诉我那个缺是施巴斯坦 Oh, please tell me it's Sebastian.
说句公道话 艾略特 Now, be fair, Eliot.
施巴斯坦安技术过得去 Sebastian has decent technique.
他拿得起指挥棒 He has baton.
一个月前 我进Bunkamura A month ago,I dropped into Bunkamura
Bunkamura：日本知名大型综合文化设施馆
去看图灵机器演奏肖邦一 to watch the Turing machine trot out Chopin One.
老施巴斯坦真的是个“弹性速度”侠 Ol' Sebastian really is Mr. Tempo Rubato.
Tempo Rubato：弹性速度。音乐术语，指可由独奏表演者或指挥酌情提速后减速以强调情感和韵律的表达
机器人先生更准确 Robot-o is more like it.
你为什么留着他 Why do you keep him on?
他是安德斯的人 你知道的 Oh, he's Andris's man,you know that.
是 你继承了那个决定 Exactly. You inherited that decision.
七年已经长到让你看起来够尊重那个决定了 Seven years is a long time to pretend you respect it.
他们有不一样的劳动合同 They have different labor contracts over there.
他是 是个怪人 He's a... he's a strange guy.
谁 安德斯吗 Who? Andris?
不 是施巴斯坦 No, Sebastian.
他有 恋物癖 He has, uh, fetishes.
恋物癖 比如 Fetishes? Like what?
怀念战前卡姆斯缩印乐谱 Nostalgia for prewar Kalmus miniature scores
Kalmus：卡姆斯：德国乐谱出版商
冯卡拉扬在的照片攥着的滞销铅笔 dead-stock pencils he's seen von Karajan hold in photographs.
Von Karajan：冯﹒卡拉扬：奥地利指挥家 曾担任柏林爱乐总指挥长达34年 提携了很多年轻音乐家 因其指挥水平和录音之多广在指挥界享有盛誉 同时也是经历了纳粹时代的纳粹党员
你懂的 那种东西 You know, that sort of thing.
真可悲 That's just sad.
是啊 不过你说得没错 Yeah, but you're not wrong.
我是得看情况把他调换出去 I am gonna have to rotate him at some point.
为了谁 For who?
《那些爱教会我的》 What Love Teaches Me.
What Love Teaches Me：马勒第三号交响曲第六乐章标题
对那段弦乐的标注 That string notation.
马勒已经亲自把标注给你了 Mahler gives it to you himself.
缓慢、平静、充满感情地 （该乐章的演奏指示） Langsam—Ruhevoll—Empfunden
（该乐章的演奏指示）
得了吧 相信我 -Come on.-Trust me.
你不想去学校 You do not want to go to school
还得在别人涂画过的课本上学习吧 on someone else's red and blue pencil.
至少不是在我留下的痕迹上 Least of all, mine.
但我想 Oh, but I do.
行吧 说完你就不骚扰我了吗 All right. Will you quit pestering me?
对 Yes.
自由运弓 Free bowing.
观众角度看会不太美观 It's not pretty for an audience to look at,
但如果你能控制你的乐手 but if you can manage to keep your players
不走偏 out of the weeds...
出来的声音会很激烈 ... the sound's ferocious.
噢 Oh.
机器人不会有荣耀 艾略特 There's no glory for a robot, Eliot.
遵循你自己的想法 Do your own thing.
嗯 Hmm.
（演奏安娜·西格里杜作品《Ró》）
Ró：冰岛语, 安详宁静, 此处为乐曲名
Anna Thorvaldsdóttir：安娜·索弗思塔提亚（ Anna Sigríðurøorvaldsdóttir), 冰岛最著名的作曲家之一 作品受冰岛自然环境影响, 尝试用自然能量 并在能量和细微转换中寻求平衡, 寻求天地自然的原始力量
好了 -All right, um...-(playing stops)
先 停一下 Let's... stop here.
谢谢你 麦克斯 很好 谢谢 -Thank you, Max. Very good.-Thanks.
纯粹出于 我个人的探究 Um, just for my own edification...
你为什么来了茱莉亚 why did you come to Juilliard?
因为它是国内最好的音乐学院 Uh, it's the best music conservatory in the country?
柯蒂斯、伊斯曼还有其它学院的人可能恕不同意 People from Curtis, Eastman,and others may beg to differ.
Juilliard, Curtis, Eastman：茱莉亚、柯蒂斯、伊斯曼皆为美国最顶尖的音乐学院
我是说 茱莉亚是个金字招牌 对吧 I mean, Juilliard's a brand, right?
所以 你是来跟着一个招牌学习吗 So, did you come to study with a brand?
-不是 不是这样 -好 所以是一位导师 -No. -No, right.So there's a teacher
或者是其中哪一位毕业生 or graduate somewhere down the line who, you know,
你的脑海中浮现出的表演 conjured something in your imagination.
一位你渴望成为的人 嗯 -Someone you aspire to be yourself. -Mm-hmm.
所以 是谁 So, who was that?
莎拉张 Sarah Chang.
Sarah Chang：知名韩裔美籍小提琴手, 曾在茱莉亚音乐学院学习
所以你是小提琴手 Hmm. So you're a violinist?
对 好 -Yeah.-All right, okay.
那我就能理解为什么 Well, I can see why
你会选择这样一首作品来指挥了 you would choose to conduct a piece like this.
一定有种很亲切的愉悦感吧 Must be a familiar pleasure in presiding over
执掌那么一片拉得好像在调音的弦乐 a bed of strings that behave as if they're tuning.
来看一下 Now...
这首作品非常 紧跟潮流 this piece is very au courant.
这儿 作曲家说 I mean, here,the composer tells us
以来回颤弓开始 to begin with "back-and-forth tremolo strokes
像钢丝刷一样 然后缓慢地如响尾蛇游走于肌肤之上 with wire brush and slowly sliding crotales over skin."
听起来像是雷内雷德泽皮的麋鹿菜谱 Sounds like René Redzepi's recipe for reindeer.
René Redzepi'： 丹麦名厨，拥有的米其林三星餐厅诺玛数年被评为世界最佳餐厅
表演新音乐很刺激 对吧 It's exciting to play new music, isn't it?
嗯 好 -Yeah.-Yeah.
很好 来 加入其它同学中吧 Great. All right, please, join the other fellows.
我知道你们都是沃夫先生门下的指挥系学生 Now, I know you're all conducting students
但你们有多少人同时在学习作曲 of, uh, Mr. Wolfe's,but how many of you are also studying composition?
好 你的名字是 Right, what's your name?
奥利弗﹒凯尔 Olive Kerr.
好的 奥利弗 All right, Olive. Uh...
你觉得我们刚刚听到的东西怎么样 What do you make of what we've just been listening to?
非常棒 It's pretty awesome.
我是说 其中蕴含着很强大的无调性张力 I mean, there's incredible atonal tension.
我同意张力的部分 I agree about the tension part.
对于“无调性”一词的精妙之处 Now, you can intellectually contemplate, or masturbate,
一个人可以运用智慧思索 或是对着它手淫 about the felicity of the so-called "atonal,"
但在此更重要的问题是 你在指挥什么 but the important question here is: What are you conducting?
你得到了什么效果 What is the effect?
它对我又有什么样的影响 What is it actually doing to me?
好的音乐既可以如教堂一般雕梁画栋 Good music can be as ornate as a cathedral
也可以像盆栽棚一样赤裸粗粝 or bare as a potting shed
只要它能让你回答这两个问题 so long as it allows you to answer both those questions.
麦克斯 --Max.
说说 你怎么想 Come on, what do you think?
当安娜·索弗思塔提亚来上大师课的时候 When... Anna Thorvaldsdóttir gave her master class,
她说她常常为她生长地的景观与自然的形式 she said she was often influenced by the form
和结构所影响 and structure of landscapes and nature she grew up within.
不过我不确定她自身是不是 But I'm not sure she was interested per se
对描述那些真实的声音也很有兴趣 in, uh, describing those actual sounds.
非常的二元对立 Very Punkt Kontra Punkt.
对 Yes.
她的创作意图是 模糊的 至少可以说 The intent of her composition is vague, to say the least.
所以 如果她的意图是模糊的 那作为指挥的你们 So, if her intent is vague, how do you, as a conductor,
怎么才能做到对作品的任意一处洞若观火呢 have a point of view about anything?
说句公道话 Now, to be fair, I mean,
总有那么些时候 你纯粹别无选择 there are times when you will simply have no choice.
你不得不站在乐团面前 And you will be made to stand in front of an orchestra
假装那些无形的结构确实存在 and pretend that there are these invisible structures.
但我衷心祝愿你们 But my prayer for you
可以不必承受那种尴尬 is that you will be spared the embarrassment
站在指挥台上 面前是4'33"的谱子 of standing on the podium with a 4'33",
*4'33": 是由美国试验作曲家约翰凯奇创作的一首三章节作品 指示表演者在整整三章节中不演奏任何乐曲 仅由观众当时所听到的环境音构成 所以常常被理解为四分三十三秒静默
试图推销出一量没有引擎的汽车 trying to sell a car without an engine.
因为现在 朋友们 Because now, my friends,
现在是指挥那些会向你索求的音乐的时代 now is the time to conduct music that actually requires something of you.
是那些虽然家喻户晓 You know,music that everybody knows
但会因你的演绎变而不同的音乐 but will hear differently when you interpret it for them.
打个比方 麦克斯 为什么不选首 垂怜经 For instance, Max,why not a Kyrie?
Kyrie：罗马天主教和希腊东正教弥撒中的祷词音乐
比如 像是巴赫的B小调弥撒 You know, like, uh, something like Bach's Mass in B minor.
我对巴赫不怎么感兴趣 I'm not really into Bach.
你对巴赫不感兴趣? -You're not into Bach?-Mm-hmm.
天啊 麦克斯 Oh, Max.
你读过施韦泽的《论巴赫》吗 Have you read the Schweitzer book?
没有 No.
你该读一读 Well, you should.
那是则很重要的文本 It's an important text.
安东尼娅布里克也这么觉得 Now, Antonia Brico thought so.
Antonia Brico：知名荷兰女指挥家及钢琴家
她认同到把自己送到了赤道非洲 So much so that she shipped herself to Equatorial Africa
划着一叶扁舟沿刚果河而上找到施韦泽 and canoed up the Congo River to track Schweitzer down
请他将关于巴赫的所知倾囊相授 and ask him to teach her what he knew about Bach.
我记得我在哪儿 有张她的照片 I mean, somewhere,I've got a picture of her
戴着顶木髓盔 in a, in a pith helmet.
你有没有 I mean, have you...
有没有演奏过 或者指挥过一次巴赫 have you ever played or-or conducted Bach?
说实话 身为有色人种 和泛性别人 Honestly, as a BIPOC, pangender person
巴赫的厌女生平 I would say Bach's misogynistic life
几乎不可能让我认真对待他的音乐 makes it kind of impossible for me to take his music seriously.
说说 Come on.
你是 想说明什么 What do... what do...what do you mean by that?
他不是生了有 20个孩子吗 Well, didn't he sire,like, 20 kids?
对 这有记录 Yes, that's documented.
同时还留下了大量的音乐 Along with a considerable amount of music.
但抱歉我 我不是很明白 But I'm sorry, I'm... I'm unclear
他在婚床上的惊人能力 as to what his prodigious skills in the marital bed
和他的B小调有什么关系 have to do with B minor.
好吧 Sure.
算了 这是 你的选择就这样了 All right, whatever. That's-that's your choice.
a soul selects her own society： 出自美国诗歌史上最杰出人物之一艾米丽狄金森的《灵魂选择自己的侣伴》
毕竟 “灵魂选择自己的侣伴” I mean, after all, "a soul selects her own society."
但记住 这选择的另一面是 But remember, the flip side of that selection
“紧闭她的心房” closes the valves of one's attention.
这是诗歌的下一句；原诗意在表达爱情的排他性
当然 分隔出什么是可被接受的 Now, of course,siloing what is acceptable
或什么不可接受 是当今许多交响乐团 or not acceptable is a basic construct of many,
即使不是大多数 的基本理念 if not most,symphony orchestras today,
这种为了傻子们的选择性演奏 who see it as their imperial right
被视为无上的权力 to curate for the cretins.
所以 虽然很难明确 So, slippery as it is,
检视麦克斯这种过敏症状还是有价值的 there is some merit in examining Max's allergy.
由一群奥匈帝国或德国背景 Can classical music written by a bunch of straight,
会去教堂的白人直男所创作的音乐 可否撼动我们的情绪？ Austro-German, church going white guys exalt us,
不论是个人的体验上 还是集体的感受 individually as-as well as collectively,
且恕我问一句 又有谁 有资格决定这一点呢？ and who, may I ask, gets to decide that?
那贝多芬呢 (sighs)You know, what about Beethoven?
你对他感兴趣不 You into him?
因为从我这个 “着急”的女同性恋的角度看 Because for me,as a U-Haul lesbian,
U-Haul lesbian：一种对女同性恋群体的刻板印象 指觉得女同性恋会在第二次约会时就想立刻同居
我对 老路德维希的性别偏见有所疑虑 I'm... I'm not too sure about old Ludwig.
Ludwig: 贝多芬的名字
但之后 我面对他 But then, I face him.
我发现自己与他的气贯长虹唯我独尊之势如此接近 And I find myself nose-to-nose with his magnitude and inevitability.
来 麦克斯 请允许我 Come on, Max. Indulge me.
让我们以同样的眼光来审视一番巴赫 Let's allow Bach a similar gaze.
（演奏巴赫《C大调前奏曲与赋格,作品846》）
坐 Sit.
现在 这些都是花哨的琶音 对吧 Now, this is all filigree, right?
一年级的钢琴学生也能弹 I mean, it could be a first-year piano student.
♪ 或是谢勒德正弹奏给露西 ♪ ♪ Or Schroeder playing for Lucy.
Schroeder playing for Lucy：以史努比为主角的《花生漫画》中的角色 整天在弹玩具钢琴的谢勒德很仰慕贝多芬
抑或是格连古尔德 就此而言 Or Glenn Gould, for that matter.\
Glenn Gould：格伦·赫伯特·古尔德 加拿大钢琴家, 以演绎巴赫的键盘作品而闻名
直到音乐发生了变化 Now, it's not until it changes...
你开始进入它的内里 ... when you get inside it,
听见它真正的本质 that you hear what it really is.
是一句疑问 It's a question.
和一个回答 And an answer.
乞求着另一个疑问 Which begs another question.
巴赫身上有一种谦逊 There's a humility in Bach.
他并非在假装自己无所不知 He's not pretending he's certain about anything.
因为他明白 永远只有疑问才能打动听众 'Cause he knows that it's always the question that involves the listener.
而不会是回答 对吗 It's never the answer, right?
现在 抛给你的最重要的问题是 Now, the big question for you is:
你怎么想 麦克斯 What do you think, Max?
你弹得真的很好 You play really well.
但当下 白人 男性 顺性别作曲家单纯不是我的兴趣所在 But nowadays, white, male, cis composers, just not my thing.
别那么 急着被冒犯 Don't be so eager to be offended.
面对细微差异时的自我陶醉 The narcissism of small differences
会导致最为无聊的一致 leads to the most boring conformity.
我觉得埃德加瓦雷兹还可以 I guess Edgard Varèse is okay.
我是说 我还挺喜欢《奥秘》的 I mean, I like "Arcana," anyway.
Arcana：指法国作曲家埃德加·瓦雷塞为大型交响乐团创作的交响诗
那你一定知道瓦雷兹 Oh, well, then you must be aware that Varèse
Edgard Varèse：埃德加·维克多·阿西尔·夏尔·瓦雷兹，法裔美国人, 作曲家
曾有段著名发言 说爵士 once famously stated that jazz
是“一种被犹太人剥削的黑鬼产物” was "a Negro product exploited by the Jews."
也没让杰瑞高史密斯在他《人猿星球》的配乐里 Didn't stop Jerry Goldsmith from ripping him off
Jerry Goldsmith：杰里·戈德史密斯 美国著名电影配乐作曲家 给《人猿星球》作的配乐听起来非常像瓦雷兹的大型管弦乐作品, 特别是《奥秘》
因此而不盗用埃德加的音乐 for hisPlanet of the Apes score.
像是个完美的侮辱 不觉得吗 It's kind of a perfect insult, don't you think?
但你们懂吗 But you see
将自己置于超音速认知层面而唱反调的位置 the problem with enrolling yourself as an ultrasonic epistemic dissident
问题在于 如果连巴赫的才华也能因其 性别 is that if Bach's talent can be reduced to his gender,
出身地 宗教信仰 性取向 及其它种种所抹杀 birth country, religion, sexuality, and so on,
那你的才能也会如此 then so can yours.
总有一天 麦克斯 当你走向世界 Now, someday, Max,when you go out into the world
在大型或小型乐团当客座指挥时 and you guest conduct for a major or minor orchestra,
你或许会注意到乐手们的谱架上不仅有灯泡和谱子 you may notice that the players have more than light bulbs
还有更多 and music on their stands.
还有被分发打分表 They will also have been handed rating sheets,
为了给你打分 the purpose of which is to rate you.
那 你希望什么样的标准 Now, what kind of criteria
成为他们打分时的参照呢？ would you hope that they would use to do this?
你的读谱和挥棒技巧 还是什么别的 Your score reading and stick technique, or something else?
好吧各位 我们用麦克斯的衡量标准 All right, everyone,using Max's criteria,
来思考一下麦克斯的观点 let's consider Max's thing.
看一下 安娜·索弗思塔提亚 In this case,Anna Thorvaldsdóttir.
我们能在两个观察结论上达成共识吗 Now, can we agree on two pieces of observation?
其一 安娜出身于冰岛 One, that Anna was born in Iceland.
其二 她作为一位华德福教育体系下的老师 年轻很辣 And two, that she is,in a, I don't know, Waldorf teacher kinda way,a super hot young woman.
Waldorf：华德福教育是一种人性化的教育方法, 以自然教育为主, 它基于创立人智学的奥地利哲学家鲁道夫·斯坦纳的一种教育哲学理念
有人举手同意吗 Show of hands.
很好 接下来让我们把视线 All right,now let's turn our gaze
转回那边的钢琴凳 back to the piano bench up there
看看我们是否能将以上 任何有关联可能性的一点 and see if we can square how any of those things
安到坐在我们眼前的这个人身上 possibly relate to the person we see seated before us.
你要去哪儿 Oh, where are you going?
你就是个婊子 You're a fucking bitch.
你就是个机器人 And you are a robot.
很不幸 构建你灵魂的建筑师 I mean, unfortunately,the architect of your soul
看来是社交媒体 appears to be social media.
你想让面具起舞 就必须听命于作曲家 You want to dance the mask, you must service the composer.
你必须升华自身 You gotta sublimate yourself,
你的野心 还有是的 你的身份 your ego, and, yes,your identity.
事实上你必须立于观众和上帝面前 You must, in fact, stand in front of the public and God
遗忘自我 and obliterate yourself.
好 All right.
（疫情）封锁期间 ALEC BALDWIN (over computer): During the lockdown,
你算是立了大功 you did something I thought remarkable.
你把音乐免费分享给大众 You made music for free.
所有人都能在线观看柏林爱乐的演奏 Anyone at all could stream Berlin performances
不需要支付毫厘 without ever paying a dime.
这只是… Well, that-that was a...
乐团乐手们民主投票的决定 it's a democratically made decision by the players.
我倒想领功受誉 And though I-I wish I could claim the idea was mine,
但其实这是莎朗·古德诺的主意 it really did spring from the heart of Sharon Goodnow.
莎朗是你的伴侣 BALDWIN: Sharon is your partner.
你们抚养了一个孩子 You have a child together,
同时她也是柏林爱乐的首席小提琴手 and she's also the concertmaster for Berlin.
-这会不会有些… -会 你说得没错 -Does that ever... -Yes, that's right.
…让你的工作和生活更复杂？ ... complicate things for you?
你的工作会不会延伸到家里 还是…？ Your work getting into your home or the other way ar...?
杰克说你肯定会对座椅上的幕布满意 Jake said he was certain you'd be happy with the drape of the seat.
我会的… I will be...
…如果我能坚持到下个月都不长肥肉 ... if I can keep the fat off until next month.
你从来都长不胖 You never gain weight.
你…你母亲给我发了短信 Your... your mother texted me.
她知道你很忙 但还是希望顺路来看看你 She knows you're busy but is hoping to drop by.
下次再说吧 Next trip.
你晚餐想吃什么？ What are you thinking for dinner?
不吃了 Uh, no.
不吃了 就在酒店争取把这架钢琴好好利用起来 No, I'm gonna stay in and put this piano to good use.
我总觉得大提琴部分那个E音哪里不对 I'm suspicious of the E natural in the cello line.
它听起来像不像热情洋溢版的查尔斯·艾夫斯？ Doesn't it sound like warmed-over Charles Ives to you?
查尔斯·艾夫斯：美国现代派作曲家，音乐创作多调、多节奏。风格诡谲多变。
不 根本不会 Not-not at all.
但别担心 我会给休斯顿那边打电话 But don't worry, I'll call Houston.
他们一定能随机应变 They'll be flexible.
你在纽黑文肯定有些朋友吧 You must have some New Haven friends
今晚去见见吧？ you want to see tonight?
没有 并没有 No. Not really.
我要晚点再来拿笔记吗？ Should I stop by later for notes?
不用 没必要 No, that won't be necessary.
好吧 Okay.
噢 我差点忘了 不过… Oh, I, I-I almost forgot, but...
有人在前台给你留了这个东西 this was left for you at the front desk.
谁留的？ By who?
前台的人没说 They didn't say.
什么？没留个纸条吗？ Wh-What, no card?
没有 No.
好吧 放那吧 Okay, just, just leave it over there.
谢了 Thanks.
♪ ♪
晚安 Good night.
安 Night.
♪ ♪
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《我吃耳朵》 and I Eat Ears,
自2008年起就一直为其眼光独到的听众提供讯息 -feeding the discerning listener since 2008.
2008 2008.
《我吃耳朵》 I Eat Ears
你也应该收听 and you should, too.
本电台将提供更多内容 And now, more from NPR.
接下来的几周里 Over the next few weeks,
我们会播放一些诗歌朗读 we'll be hearing poems from four finalists
它们来自于美国青年诗人桂冠奖的四位决赛选手 for the National Youth Poet Laureate Award.
他们什么时候通知你的？ TÁR: When were you informed of this?
就是今天早上 Just this morning.
卡布兰先生表示十分抱歉 Mr. Kaplan was very apologetic.
按你的习惯 我给咱们定上了 I was able to get us on
早上7点从慕尼黑出发的行程 the 7:00 a.m. you like, through Munich.
中途中转的时间有点紧 The connection's short,
但是额外服务都准备就绪了 but special services are standing by.
和德意志唱片公司的准备工作怎么样了？ Where are things with DG?
我想听闻他们终于舍得觉醒 Please tell me they've finally woken up to see the wisdom
承认这次发行的唱片多么诚心 多么睿智 of honest-to-God LPs for this release?
那边还没什么动静 - No movement there yet.
你看我打好草稿的那封邮件了吗？ Have you looked at the email I drafted for you?
-昨晚就发出去了 -嗯 - Sent it last night. - Mm-hmm.
-到时候把他们的回复转发给我 -好的 -Well, just forward me their response. -Mm-hmm.
你觉得那天在纽约客的演讲怎么样？ What's your take on The New Yorker talk?
一切顺利 我觉得 It went well, I thought.
噢 你不正面回答问题 Oh. You're hedging.
我当时说个不停 I was garrulous.
没有 -No.
完全没有 你表现得特别棒 No, not at all. You, you were fabulous.
弗兰切斯卡 Francesca.
如果你真的有意指挥 If you have any real interest in conducting,
你得有能力表达你的真实想法 you need to be able to speak your mind.
好吧 也许你… Okay. Perhaps you...
你当时可以少讲一点… You could've made less of the relationship with...
雷奥（伯恩斯坦）吗？ -不是 -Lenny? -No.
我是想说马勒和阿尔玛的话题 I-I was thinking about Mahler and Alma's.
-噢 -你暗示说阿尔玛背叛了马勒 -Oh. Huh. -You implied that she betrayed him.
我不敢说我完全同意 I'm not, I'm not sure I agree with that.
噢 是吗？ Oh, really?
阿尔玛也是一位作曲家 Alma was a composer, too,
但马勒却坚持要她停止创作音乐 but he insisted she stop writing music.
他说一个房间里 He said there was only room for...
-容不得两个混蛋？ -容不得两个混蛋，是的 -One asshole in the house? -One asshole in the house. Yes.
阿尔玛也同意了这些规则 And she agreed to those rules.
不是别人为她做的这些选择 No one made that decision for her.
所谓 #游戏规则# #RulesOfTheGame.
如果一个女人有登上断头台的气魄 那她同时也有走上指挥台的胆识 Si la femme a le de monter à l'échafaud, elle doit aussi avoir celui de monter à la tribune
好吧 Okay.
你今晚过的怎么样？ How was your evening?
嗯… 没什么活动 Yeah, was uneventful.
莎朗的药还剩吗？ Are there any of Sharon's pills left?
没有 但克罗文医生找来了这些 No, but Dr. Korovin called these in.
啊 谢谢 Ah, thanks.
我又从克里丝塔那里收到了一封奇怪的邮件 I received another weird email from Krista.
-嗯 -我该怎么回复？ -Mm-hmm. -How should I reply?
不回复 Don't.
但是这一封尤其情绪颓丧 Well, this one felt specially desperate.
希望会消逝的 早晚的事 Die Hoffnung stirbt, zuletzt.
Hilbert curve （希尔伯特曲线）： 一种能填充满一个平面正方形的分形曲线（空间填充曲线） 由大卫·希尔伯特在1891年提出。 在本片中作为Krista出现的暗线索
克里斯塔·泰勒
有危险
你跟电力公司有什么秘密利益关系 是我不知道的吗？ Do you have some kind of profit-sharing deal with the utility company that I am unaware of?
我心慌的毛病又犯了 The flutter's back.
心在…狂跳 It's... It's racing.
我哪里都找不到美托洛尔（肾上腺素受体阻断药） I can't find my Metoprolol anywhere.
美托洛尔:肾上腺素受体阻断药
我操 Fuck
我在抽屉里找到了 放得不太显眼 Uh, I found this lying loose in the drawer.
是这个药吗? Is this the right one?
是的 Yeah.
谢谢 Thank you.
这是个新包吗？ Is that a new bag?
艾略特送我的礼物而已 Oh, it's just a gift from Eliot.
你想要吗？ You want it?
不用 No.
更适合你 Suits you.
让我把节奏调慢到每分60下 Let's slow this down to 60 beats a minute.
（贝西伯爵及其乐团的作品"Li'l Darlin'<亲爱的>"） ("Li'l Darlin'" by Count Basie& His Orchestra playing)
♪ ♪
其实这是64的速度 Actually, it's 64 beats.
昨晚我给你打电话了 Tried calling you on your mobile last night.
嗯 Hmm.
又是你在酒店的时候 And again at the hotel.
我当时肯定睡了 Must've been asleep.
你从来不会睡那么死 You never sleep that deeply.
别 别像个怨妇一样 No, no, don't be a scold.
♪感受这感觉♪ ♪ Feelin' a feelin' ♪
♪浅尝辄止的感觉♪ ♪ For somethin' there ain't too much of... ♪
我有点担心柏蒂娜 I'm worried about Petra.
她活在自己的世界中 She's starting to disappear into herself.
具体些 Be specific.
她总是小腿上带着淤青回家 She keeps coming home with bruises on her shins.
我一问她 她就不说话了 And then when I ask her about it, she gets quiet.
我希望那只是她在操场上踢球摔的 I mean, I hope it's just playground football
而不是“纯种德国人”这种事情 and not some Biodeutsche thing.
我们聊过这件事 Hmm, we talked about this.
我们或许应该费点心思 But maybe we just need to put more effort
帮她找个朋友 into finding her a friend.
去年真的不容易 Last year was really hard
疫情封锁 她不得不跟我们两个老女人关在一起 to be locked up alone with two old ladies like us.
她到了可以学钢琴的年龄了 She's old enough to learn piano.
我会教她的 I'll teach her.
好 Yeah.
那样最好 That might be good.
你心脏感觉怎么样 How's your heart?
好多了 Better now.
（D小调第五交响曲） (Symphony No. 5 in D Minor,Op. 47: IV. Finale over radio)
敲门 咚咚 谁呀？ Knock, knock. Who's there?
雷奥？（伯恩斯坦） Lenny?
瓦尔特？） Walter?
Walter：德国指挥家布鲁诺·瓦尔特
噢 是你啊 MTT Oh, it's you, MTT.
MTT: 美国著名指挥家——迈克尔·蒂尔森·托马斯
你为什么要这样呢？ Why do you insist on holding things up like that?
你的意义是带来欢愉 Your business here is rejoicing,
不是像个操蛋的色情片演员一样大叫 not screaming like a fucking porn star.
迈克尔蒂尔森托马斯…… Michael Tilson Thomas...
嗨 柏蒂娜 Hello, Petra.
你为什么躲躲藏藏？嗯？ Why are you lurking? Hmm?
告诉我 我会帮你的 Tell me and I'll help.
-莎朗？- 嗯？ -TÁR: Sharon?-Hmm?
我送柏蒂娜去上学了 Uh, I'm taking Petra to school.
噢 好的 Oh, okay.
- 来 - 拜拜 -Come on.-Tschüss.
谁来扶棺？ Who'll bear the pall?
此诗出自童谣《谁杀死了知更鸟》
为世界大多数英语国家和部分欧洲国家中小学必背课文
“是我们”，鹪鹩说 "We," said the wren,
“我们夫妇一起” -"both the cock and the hen."-The hen.
(“我们...”） "I'll..."
“我们会来扶棺” BOTH:"We'll bear the pall."
那谁来唱赞美诗？ And who'll sing a psalm?
“是我”，画眉说，坐在灌上 "I," said the thrush as she sat on a bush.
“我将唱赞美诗” "I'll sing a song."
"谁来敲丧钟？" "Who'll toll the bell?"
“我”，牛说 "I," said the bull,
“因为我能拉牦” "because I can pull.
“我来鸣响丧钟” I'll toll the bell."
空中所有的鸟 BOTH:All the birds of the air
全都叹息哭泣 fell a-sighing and a-sobbing
他们听见丧钟 when they heard the bell toll
为可怜的知更鸟响起 for poor Cock Robin!
会没事的 It's gonna be okay.
好了 告诉我哪一个是她？ All right. Okay, which one is she?
穿红色衣服那个 The red one.
-再见 -去吧 -Bye. -Go on.
哈喽 约翰娜 Hallo, Johanna.
我是柏蒂娜的父亲 Ich bin der Vater von Petra.
柏蒂娜给我讲了很多关于你的事 Sie hat mir viel von dir erzählt.
我知道你都做了什么 Ich weiß, was du machst.
你知道如果你敢这么做会怎么样吗？ Und wenn du das noch einmal machst, weißt du, was ich dann mache?
我会整你 Dann kriege ich dich.
你要是去告诉任何一个大人 我给你说了什么 Und wenn du irgendeinem Erwachsenen erzählst, was ich dich gerade gesagt habe,
没人会相信你 wird dir keiner glauben,
因为呢 我是个大人 weil ich nämlich erwachsen bin.
但相信我 我会整你的 Aber glaub mir, ich kriege dich.
记好了 约翰娜 敬爱的上帝无所不见 Denk dran, Johanna, der lieber Gott sieht alles.
你好呀 你好 TÁR: Hello. Hi.
他们都在音乐厅里了吗？ They're all in the chamber hall?
是的 Yes.
不 No.
噢 太抱歉了 大师 Oh, I'm sorry, Maestro.
我们不确定你会不会来 We weren't sure you were coming.
我们接到通知说你可能有时间冲突 We were told there might be, um, a scheduling conflict.
需要我来记笔记吗？ -Would you like me to take notes?
施巴斯坦 不用了 谢谢 No, thank you, Sebastian.
不必了 -That won't be necessary.
我们都拿到自己的打分表了吗？ Do we all have our rating sheets?
-我们减到了三张 -嗯 -We narrowed it down to three. -Mm-hmm.
好 如果没有人有额外补充 So, unless anyone has other business to discuss,
让一号选手进场吧 let's bring in number one.
（大提琴演奏《唐豪瑟与瓦特堡歌唱大赛》歌剧曲目） (cello playing Tannhäuser undder Sängerkrieg auf Wartburg)
（大提琴演奏威尔第《安魂弥撒曲》（奉献仪式般地） (cello playing Verdi Messada Requiem (Offertorio))
（大提琴演奏柴可夫斯基第六交响曲《悲怆》（优雅地、快板）） (cello playing Pathétique(Allegro con grazia))
写作进展得如何？ How's the writing going?
啊 我永远无法回答的问题 Ah, I never know how to answer that question.
不 No.
这过程就像一个生理现象 Makes it sound like a physical act.
像在问“屎拉得怎么样？” Like, how's the shitting going?
好吧 Okay.
构思得如何了？ How's the thinking going?
也不是很顺利 Yeah, not so well.
我总是听到某些声音 并因此便亢奋 I keep hearing something and getting excited
捕风捉影 only to catch myself in pastiche.
Hmm.
都是捕风捉影的东西 Uh, it's all pastiche.
我们拥有同样的音乐语言 We all have the same musical grammar.
看看贝多芬的第五交响曲 Uh, just look at Beethoven Five.
第三乐章的主题与莫扎特的四十交响曲终章的开场曲 The third movement's theme has the same sequence of intervals
具有相同的音程顺序 as the opening theme of the final movement of Mozart Forty.
嗯, 但那可能是碰巧的 Mm, th-that could've been a coincidence.
不, 不是的 No. Not in this case.
如果你检查他使用的速写本 If you examine the sketchbooks he used,
会发现有莫扎特终曲的29个小节都被贝多芬抄去了 29 bars of Mozart's finale appear copied out by Beethoven.
我的天, 这太让人难受了 Oh, my God. I find that extremely depressing.
我读完了你的手稿 I finished reading your manuscript.
我觉得非常好, 莉蒂亚 It's very good, Lydia.
是这个时代的一个杰作 One for the ages.
而且我敢保证 会比我的书流传时间更长 And, I dare say,will be available long after my book has been forgotten.
噢, 你说的没错 Oh, yes, you're right.
整个第一版印刷都将永远可用 The entire first printing will always be available.
你还是那么谦虚, 一如往常 Too modest, as usual.
谢谢你 安德里斯 Thank you, Andris.
我会好好珍惜这个 I'll cherish this.
你或许会用到它 You may use it.
是封面的简介 A-a blurb for the covers.
噢, 太感谢了 Oh, thank you.
我会发给出版社 I'll send it to the publisher.
但愿还来得及 Hopefully, there's still time.
作为我的学生 你让我感到自豪 I'm proud to call you my pupil,
虽然我已经没东西能够继续教授你了 uh, even though there was really nothing I could teach you.
并不是啊 Now, that's not true.
没有你 我无法取得如今的成就 I'd never have the position here were it not for you.
你会去伦敦、纽约 Then you'd be in London, New York.
但它们不是柏林 They're not Berlin.
另外我不确定莎朗会怎么做 Besides, I'm not sure what Sharon would do,
如果我们搬走的话 were we ever to leave.
她和她的家人们非常亲密 She's so close with her family.
哦 是的 这对古德诺姐妹 Ah, yeah, the Goodnow sisters.
我记得年长的那个绝对是个刺头 I remember the elder one being an absolute ball-breaker
然而她仍然控制着德意志留声机公司 while she still held sway at DG.
-海柯是个很有个人主意的女人 -哦 -Heike is a woman of many opinions -Oh.
但她的声音 我是指信噪 比真让人受不了 And that voice. I mean, the signal-to-noise ratio, it's unbearable
我不得不在市区里的老地方避难 I've had to bolt-hole at my old place in town
去完成我的写作 to get any writing done.
叔本华衡量一个人的智力 取决于其对噪音的敏感程度 Schopenhauer measured a man's intelligence against his sensitivity to noise.
他不是也曾经把女人扔下楼梯 Didn't he once also throw a woman down a flight of stairs
并被起诉了吗 who later sued him?
是的 Yes.
但并不确定 Although, it's unclear
这一私人失误 this private and personal failing
与他的工作有关 is at all relevant to his work.
你迟到了 You're late.
这里, 把你的手杖给我 Here, give me your stick.
谢谢 我来就好 -Thank you.-I've got it.
好 Okay. Uh...
好 好 Gut, gut.
回到开头 Zurück zum Anfang.
还有 不要忘了 克里斯蒂安 Und nicht vergessen, Christian,
持续整个音符的突强要锐利地强调出来 das Forzando auf der ganze Note muss scharf akzentuiert sein.
好吗？ Okay?
但 Aber, but it's also...
像我们听它 It's like we're hearing it
从很远的地方传来 from a very, very great distance.
所以它... So it's...
嗯... Ju... Uh...
不好意思 哈洛德在吗？ Sorry. Ist Harald da?
我在 大师 Ich bin hier Maestro.
啊 很好! ach, sehr gut!
哈罗德在吗？ 我想你能是否能 Harald? I was just wondering if you might, um,
快速地为我们准备一下 uh, quickly rig something up for us?
♪ ♪
好 好 好 精彩！ Gut, gut, gut. Ausgezeichnet!
-哈拉尔德？ - 我在 大师 -Harald?-Ich bin hier Maestro.
我们到时现场录音的时候 Uh, we'll want the same back stage setup
需要相同的后台设置 for the live recording.
一 二 三 One, two, one.
还有 您如果这样摇头摆脑 我还是听不出来突强音 Auch, wenn Sie noch so sehr mit dem Kopf nicken, das Forzando höre ich immer noch nicht.
可以吗？好一些了, 但 Okay? Looks great, but...
好好听听 we need to hear it
好吗？它不是 Okay? It's not...
嘿！ Hey!
直接到第27小节 27, direkt.
再就是 在过渡句之前那里 要像子弹迸发一般 好吗？ Und vor dem Übergang, das muss wie ein Schuss sein.
明白吗？ Okay?
弦乐 Streicher
♪ ♪
不对 要立刻收 No. Sofort weg.
啪 Bah!
还是太慢了 It's-it's much too slow.
我们这里用弓根来演奏 Lasst es uns unten am Frosch spielen
拉弓要迅速 用上力度 Gerissen, ganz kurz, mit viel Energie.
好的 Okay.
好了 各位 Okay, tutti.
啊 Uh...
第二乐章第一乐段 弱起小节 zwei Punkt eins mit Auftakt
你们这里觉得怎么样？ How are things feeling up here?
很好 不错 Fine, yeah.
感觉其实真的很棒, 但... Yeah, actually great, but, uh,
遗憾的是我们没有将这首歌曲直接录制到磁盘上 it's a shame we don't record this one direct-to-disk.
哦...这是犯罪 比那还严重 Oh. It's criminal,is more like it.
你能转成 MP3格式发给吗 Will you shoot me the MP3s?
可以 当然 你不想要 WAV 文件吗？ Yeah, sure,but don't you want WAV files?
不用 要想想人们实际上会用什么 No, just think what people will actually be streaming.
嗯 那么视频呢？ Uh, what about video?
对 对 用舞台左边的摄像机 Yes, yes.Uh, stage left A camera.
好的 好吧 谢啦朋友 -Okay.-All right. Thanks, guys.
好的 再见 不客气 Okay. Uh, bye.You're quite welcome.
-那里？--对 -There?-Yeah.
你认为这里要更强一些？ You want us to come,to come in stronger there?
-好的, 行- 对 -Okay, then yeah.-Yeah.
在这里，因为主导动力很强 Here, 'cause the reigning dynamic is forte,
其实不太好 -which is not good.
-嗯 -有事吗？ -Hmm.-Yeah?
是的 有一件小事 大师 Yeah. Um, just one small thing, Maestro.
在谐谑曲中 During the scherzo, um,
单簧管独奏还是有点太大声了 th-th-the clarinet solo's still a bit too loud.
它确实应该作为第一小提琴的伴奏 It should really bean accompanying figure to the first violins.
除此之外 我认为整体的状态非常好 But apart from that, I'd say we're in very good shape.
谢谢你 施巴斯坦 Thank you, Sebastian.
谢谢 Thank you.
评价准确吗？ Accurate assessment?
我不这么认为 I don't think so.
单簧管被标记为钢琴 而我们（小提琴）被标记为极弱音 The clarinet is marked piano, and we are marked pianissimo.
施巴斯坦喜欢坐在小隔间里 Sebastian likes to sit in the stalls,
但是环绕里的平衡是没有问题 but there's no problem with the balance in the circle.
嗯 Mm-hmm.
这个比较生动有趣 Something a bit more playful.
这是我与谭雅为古斯塔沃设计的 Oh, and here's something Tanya and I did with Gustavo.
我认为这个很有力量 I think it's very powerful.
是的 卡尔 这件作品非常棒 Yes, it's-it's really wonderful work, uh, Karl.
我想知是否可以尝试一些简练的东西 I'm just wondering if we might try something a little less, uh, considered.
这么简单的东西？ Something simple like this?
我不确定你要怎么打光 I'm not sure how you would want to light it.
让 哈洛德将室内的灯光调暗一半 Have Harald dim the houselights to half.
灯调暗一半 谢谢 Houselights down half, please.
我觉得 我们应该可以办到 I mean, we could make it work,
但我们得带些灯进来 but we'd have to bring in some lights.
如果我们要这么做的话 If we want to do something like this,
谭雅 我们下周需要带聚光灯过来 uh, we'll have to bring the hot lights next week, Tanya
把这些闪光灯丢掉吧 forget about the strobes.
辛苦 让你久等了 Thank you for waiting.
没事的 大师 Of course, Maestro.
今天的彩排感觉怎么样？ How are we feeling about today's rehearsal?
施巴斯坦认为你在谐谑曲中的独奏 Well, Sebastian thinks your solo in the scherzo
有点太大声了 is, uh, a bit loud.
有可能 It's possible.
我不这么认为 Hmm. I don't agree.
你的动态标记比第一小提琴要高 Your dynamic marking is higher than that of the first violin.
是的 没错 Yes, that's true.
听着 Look.
施巴斯坦年纪大了 克努特 Sebastian's getting old, Knut.
我要把他换掉 I'm rotating him out.
你是我告诉的第一个人 You're the first to know.
这个嘛... Well...
我会组织一个核心小组 进行投票 Then I will organize a caucus,and we'll take a vote.
不 不用这样 No. No, you won't.
必须要投票 A vote must be taken.
我很熟悉选举协进制度那一套 I am familiar with the electoral conclave.
但助理指挥的任命完全取决于我 But the appointment of the assistant conductor is entirely my decision
是的 Yes.
所以 我能指望你和其他人的支持吗？ So, I can count on your support with the others?
可以 Yes.
好 Good.
你用谁替换他？ Who will you replace him with?
噢 我在有好几个人选 Oh. I'm considering a few names,
但现在最主要的事是这事要抓紧了 but the main thing is we proceed with this immediately.
我知道 I understand.
大师 其他的演奏者想知道 Maestro, uh, the other players would like to know
您是否已经找到配乐 if you have chosen the companion piece.
哎呀 我尽快选 我保证！ Ach! Ich mache es bald. Versprochen!
行 谢谢了 Okay. Danke.
噢 Oh.
-我...-没事 -I...-It's okay.
谢谢 Danke.
抱歉 我敲门了 Uh, I'm sorry, I knocked.
我知道你想尽快拿回你的钥匙 I knew you wanted your keys back as quickly as possible.
是的 谢谢 Yes, thanks.
你用的是公司的卡吗？ Did you use the company card?
是的 Yeah.
我们可以用它 We can use it for your, um...
为你打车回家 ... your taxi home.
好 没事了 Yeah. It's all right.
你可以走了 You can go.
我来这并不只是为了钥匙 Uh, it wasn't just the keys.
我需要个拥抱 I-I need someone to hold me.
这里不合适 弗兰切丝卡. This isn't the place, Francesca.
你... 并不是关于 You're... That's not about...
我刚刚 I just...
我刚从手风琴学会 那边得到这个 I just got this from someone over at Accordion.
哦 不 Oh, no.
这什么时候的事 (sighs):When did this happen?
前天 Day before yesterday.
她发你的那封邮件 感觉她已经... That email she sent you,it felt like she was already...
把它删掉 以及其他的所有（她的邮件） Delete it. And the rest.
没有理由卷入任何阴谋 There's no reason to get caught up in any intrigue.
没事 没事 Now, now.
过来 我们无法阻止她 Come on. There's nothing we could have done to stop her.
她不是我们成员之一 She wasn't one of us.
我忍不住回想我们在乌卡亚利河上的旅行 I can't stop thinking about our trip up the Ucayali.
-当时我们三个多么亲密-是的 -The three of us were so close.-Yes.
但那都是在她变得变本加厉之前了 But that was before she started making demands.
她不是太正常了 There was just something not quite right about her.
她曾有过那么多的保证 She had so much promise.
的确 She did.
是的 Yes.
几乎与你的一样多 Almost as much as you.
现在我们必须遗忘她 Now, we have to forget about her.
你明白么？ You understand?
好吗？ -Right?
-抱歉 -没事 -I'm sorry.-No.
我知道你在工作 I know you're working.
-噢 -Oh.
你的... Your...
你的钥匙在餐桌上 Your keys are on the kitchen table.
亲爱的 亚普
我无法引荐泰勒女士。
面对她的奇怪行为时 我们有必要进行干预。
如果你决定录用她，那我必须告诫你，她会对你和你的乐团构成威胁。
我很抱歉以这种方式告诉你这样一个不幸的消息，但我相信你会理解我们所处的困境。
诚挚致敬，
莉蒂亚
你好 古斯塔沃
我建议避开泰勒女士, 她的举止已经...
你好 里卡尔多
泰勒女士是一颗会惹事的定时炸弹
你好 西蒙
很遗憾地说 克里斯塔泰勒完全不适合这个工作...
亲爱的阿尔贝娜
非常抱歉 我们必须谨记告知您 克里斯塔...
恕不推荐
举止怪异
褚小怀大
她径直去睡觉了 She went straight to sleep.
都没有让我给她焐脚 Didn't even have to hold her foot.
而且她今天放学时的心情很好 And she came home in a much better mood.
哦 那就好 Oh, attagirl.
♪ ♪
今天我见了新来的大提琴手 Met the new cellist today.
噢 怎么样？ Oh, what was that like?
奥尔佳·麦金娜 Olga Metkina.
俄国人 Russian.
很不错的演奏手 Strong player.
不错 Good.
她的面部表情稍微有点夸张 Her facial posture is a bit much.
怎么说？ How so?
她连奏的时候 Her legato.
看起来像达到了高潮边缘 Looks like she's on the verge of climaxing.
她还年轻 She is young.
所以你见过她了 Ah, so you've met her.
不是 没有 No, no.
弗兰切丝卡提了一嘴 Uh, Francesca mentioned something.
好像是要办一个欢迎午宴 I think she's arranging a welcome lunch.
你要不要推迟这事 You may want to hold offon that.
她的邀约是有条件的 Her invitation is conditional.
你有其他预约了吗 You have reservations?
没有 No.
并没什么 Not really.
我们要看看她能不能融入进来 We need to see if she fits in.
你吃今天的药了吗？ Did you take your pill?
还没 No.
谢谢你的提醒 Thank you for reminding me.
乔安娜昨天什么态度？ How was Johanna yesterday?
她现在离我远远的 She stays away now.
如果她又变了 你要告诉我 You let me know if that changes.
柏蒂娜 昨晚，你有没有，在我书房里过？ Petra, last night, you weren't,by any chance, in my study?
-没有莉蒂亚 -你知道 -No, Lydia.-Because you do know
我不在的时候你是不能进去的 you're not supposed to be in there without me.
我知道 I know.
那就好 TÁR:That's right.
等 S...
-没这么简单 -It's not so simple.
应该…应该再混乱点 It's got...it's got to be messier.
等一下 Moment.
声音要洪亮 It's ... Großer Ton, okay?
充满激情！ Mit Leidenschaft!
你们的声音要有如号角一般 Sie müssen wie Hörne klingen.
这样作曲的仅有马勒独此一人 Auch wie Mahler hier keiner schreibt.
多用点弓 Gibt’s viel Bogen.
压迫感再强点，好吗？ A lot of pressure. Okay?
忘掉维斯康蒂 Vergessen Sie Visconti.
好吗？ -Okay?
大家都很熟悉 S-So familiar to everyone here.
对这首曲子了解的太透彻对演奏没有任何帮助 It really doesn't help you to know this piece so well. Okay.
还是这个地方 Same place.
微微渐强 Nur ein kleines Crescendo
拜托 Please.
拜托拜托拜托 -Please, please, please.
你们一定要仔细 You must watch.
这里要完全放开 明白吗？ Das ist ganz frei hier, okay?
好吗？ Okay?
这就像 It's got to be like, uh,
一个人唱出自己的心声一样 just one person singing their heart out.
还有… And...
你们像是在演奏练习曲 Sie spielen das wie eine Etüde.
好的 Okay.
再从头来一遍 小柔板的开头 Nochmal vom vorne. Anfang Adagietto.
好的 Okay.
大师 Maestro.
真惊喜啊 What a surprise.
-我刚吃了两口午饭 -嗯 -I was just having a spot of lunch. -Hmm.
我能给你提供些吃的吗？ C-Can I offer you anything?
呃不用，谢谢 -Uh, no, thank you.
-喝点茶？ -施巴斯坦 不用了 谢谢 -Mm, well, some tea, perhaps?-No, thank you, Sebastian.
你知道吗 我总是不记得 You know, I forget sometimes just how impressive
你这里的收藏有多棒 your collection is here.
那是卡林尼科夫*吗？ Is that Kalinnikov?
Kalinnikov：卡林尼科夫 十九世纪俄罗斯作曲家
-对 -啊 -Yes. -Ah.
他是不是很了不起？ Isn't he marvellous?
这本来是博物馆的展品 He belongs in a museum.
九十年代那会儿 I rescued him for a hundred rubles
我从基辅的街边集市上花了一百卢布买来的 -from a Kyiv street fair back in '90. -Huh.
就在柏林墙倒塌之后 Right after the Wall came down.
真是有点东西 That must really have been something.
-经历这段历史真难以置信 -Oh, incredible to have lived through it.
我好像昨天才和安德里斯来到柏林爱乐 I'd only just arrived here with Andris,
转眼间不可能的事都实现了 and suddenly the impossible was possible.
是啊 Yeah.
我想聊聊那个 I'd like to talk about that.
-东德西德合并的事？-呃不 不是 -The reunification?-Uh, no, no.
你先请坐 But please, sit down.
是关于你是否有可能 No, uh, about the possibility
担任管弦乐队领奏的事 of you fronting a subscription orchestra.
但我已经是了 But I already do.
是的 但你不是乐队指挥 Yes, but not as Kapellmeister.
施巴斯坦 你现在不担任 那什么时候才能担任呢? If not now,then when, Sebastian?
你是说离开柏林？ You mean leave Berlin?
是的 调到其他地方 Well, rotate somewhere, yes.
但柏林是我的家 But this is my home.
我们唯一的家就是指挥台 Our only home is the podium.
我们都是四海为家 We all live out of a suitcase.
你应该清楚这是常识 You know that as well as anyone.
考虑考虑吧 Just think about it.
慢慢考虑，嗯？ Take your time. Mm?
这事不急着立刻做决定 It's not something we need to decide now.
是因为那个女孩吧，是吗？ It's the girl, isn't it?
不好意思，什么女孩？ I'm sorry, what girl?
你根本不是在询问我 Y-You're not asking.
而是在通知我 You're telling.
那个女孩一出现 我就知道我在这里工作的日子不多了 I knew as soon as she showed up that my days here were numbered.
安德里斯让我不要担心，但是... Andris told me not to worry,but...
我知道 ... I knew.
我真的不知道你在说什么 I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about.
拜托 Oh, please.
只是因为没人敢说而已 Just because nobody dares breathe it.
我们都知道你干的好事 We know the things you do.
你给的小恩小惠 The little favors you grant.
我… I'm...
我真的不知道说什么 施巴斯坦 I really don't know what to say, Sebastian.
我是说, 你和其他人 I mean, you of all people
竟然敢质疑我的正直？ have the temerity to question my integrity?
不不, 抱歉, 大师 No, no. I-I'm-I'm sorry, Maestro.
我不…我不知道我在说什么 I don't, I don't know what I'm saying.
不 你很清楚你在说什么 No, no, no, it's clear you know exactly what you're saying.
我是说 如果在你眼中我就是这样的话 I mean, if that's how you really feel about me,
那你会不会说 留下是完全不可能的？ then wouldn't you say that staying is entirely out of the question?
不不 大师 请原谅我 No, no, please, Maestro. Please forgive me.
原谅什么？ (sighs) For what?
原谅你的谄媚、虚伪, 和你的厌婚症？ Your obsequiousness,your hypocrisy, your misogamy?
-我不厌女！-是厌恶婚姻 -I'm not a misogynist!-Misogamy.
是对婚姻的憎恶 It's a hatred of marriage.
安德里斯婚姻状况可是相当稳定 Andris is still very much married.
你们住在一栋公寓的同一层, 不是吗? And you occupy an apartment on the same floor, don't you?
我只是不喜欢他在那儿含沙射影 I just don't like what he's implying.
可能会就这样以讹传讹 It could lead to more than Chinese whispers.
我懂 I know.
咱俩一起出柜的时候 We barely survived Der Spiegel
《明镜周刊》笔伐下勉强留得我俩活口 when you and I came out together.
Der Spiegel：《明镜周刊》在线是德国最大的时事媒体, 其时事评论颇为辛辣
但是有弗兰切丝卡在，没人指责得了我们 But with Francesca, no one could point their finger.
你们俩又不是谈恋爱 It's not like you two are in a relationship.
确实 Yeah, that's true.
就是一想到 I just...Turns my stomach to think
那个老顽固的想法可能有理 就让我反胃 the old robot will be right about something.
他可能已经去搬安德里斯这座救山了 He's probably already run to Andris. (scoffs)
除了弗兰切丝卡以外 Well, is there someone other than Francesca
你还有其他合适的人选吗 you feel is more qualified?
谁可以胜任这项工作 There are others equal to the task.
嗯？ Hmm?
等等再决定吧 Maybe wait to decide.
德意志唱片公司那边的进展如何？ Where are we at with DG?
-我和博伊德•穆尔*办公室助理谈过了 -嗯 -Uh, I spoke to an assistant in Boyd Muir's office... -Hmm.
博伊德•穆尔：音乐发行行业高管，环球音乐集团的首席财务官和执行副总裁
他说他也不清楚为什么只发行数字版 评判标准又是什么 ... who said they weren't sure why they decided
他说他也不清楚为什么只发行数字版 评判标准又是什么 on a digital-only set,what the criteria were.
但我知道他们刚刚 -But I do know they just did
给余隆做了全黑胶唱片 a full-vinyl pressing for Long Yu.
Long Yu：余隆，中国指挥家, 为现任中国爱乐乐团艺术总监 上海交响乐团音乐总监 广州交响乐团音乐总监 香港管弦乐团首席客席指挥
他们当然得做 Of course they did.
中国市场不容小觑 The Chinese market's incredible.
好吧 我要来真的了 All right. Gloves off.
我直接去找卢西恩 I'm going straight to Lucian.
得提醒一下他的安纳伯格包容性倡议 Maybe he needs to be reminded of his Annenberg Inclusion Initiative.
Annenberg Inclusion Initiative：安纳伯格包容性倡议是全球领先的思想库 通过原创研究和赞助项目研究娱乐行业的多样性和包容性
你有他的联系方式，对吗？ You've go this contact details, right?
嗯嗯 我马上发给你 Mm-hmm. I'll send it to you right now.
我的电脑又罢工 (groans)My machine's misbehaving again.
我已经给IT人员说过了 I've already spoken to I.T.
放这吧 给我借用下你的 Just here-- let me borrow yours.
谢谢 Thank you.
抹茶呢 Where's the matcha?
艾略特﹒卡布兰 助理
布莱恩特 确认函
你好 弗兰切斯卡, 简短地说, 我们绝对可以...
施巴斯坦﹒布里斯
经典版联合会
莎朗 ﹒古德诺
德意志留声机公司
第五交响曲 录制
亲爱的弗兰切斯卡, 很高兴我们即将可以开始录制...
佩特拉的筹款人
你好 弗兰切斯卡, 我们应该为莉蒂亚考虑...
祈尔吉运 愿马勒成功
亲爱的弗兰切斯卡, 请转达我们最好的祝愿...
望拨冗垂阅
亲爱的弗兰切斯卡，若您有时间...
了结吧 - 我无法继续这样做人, 过这样的人生, 我已经走投无路了。
为什么？- 为什么她不理我？为什么无视我？她能听到我渴求帮助的声音吗？我为什么要乞求\她做个有血有肉的人？
我受不了了, 我想… 如果我能让这一切结束, 你觉得我办得到吗？我理解你嘴里“她和她的人生”
帮帮我 - 弗兰西斯卡, 求你了, 求你用点小伎俩让她理我吧, 把打开扬声器的手机放在她面前, 我保证…
不明白 - 弗兰切丝卡, 我不懂。我不明白为什么这些该死的管弦乐队都不愿意接受我。我知道我很优秀。我怎么会进入…
乐团 - 弗兰切丝卡, 请告诉我, 她是否认为我不是个好指挥。可能能让我搞清楚为什么在哪儿都面不上一个职位!
我就是命啊 - 怎么有人会突然随意地消失在一个对她万般迷恋的人面前？
为什么 - 弗兰切丝卡, 你一定知道发生了什么。为什么如此沉默？这样没意思。她应该知道那个疯婆娘可能会...
不可能 - 弗兰切丝卡, 不可能没有一个管弦乐队给我职位。我他妈的很好, 这说不通
必须和她说话 - 弗兰切丝卡, 我必须和她说上话, 我快疯了, 她爹的到底是些什么事啊。根本说不通。好吧, 她恨我...
试图阻止 - 如果我能搞懂我脑子里装了什么, 起码我还能对症下药、找人倾诉、以头抢地。如果我知道这会……
试图阻止 - 如果我能搞懂我脑子里装了什么, 起码我还能对症下药
一会儿就好... - 我不会占用她的全部宝贵时间, 几分钟就好
塔尔想逼死我 - 没有一个乐团愿意提供职位给我！
塔靶子 - 我成了这位伟人的眼中钉。为什么这样对我？我对她做了什么？
我必须做点什么？- 弗兰切丝卡, 请与我谈一谈, 告诉我该怎么做...
我无法继续这样做人, 过这样的人生...
我已经走投无路了,
我不知道发生了什么。
毫无来由。
我以为这是一切美妙时光的开始。
承载过我太多的期待。
我不确定你刚在哪 Ah, I wasn't sure where you were.
处理些繁琐小事 Was working out a kink.
抹茶凉了 我再去换一杯 The-the matcha's cold.I-I'll get another.
没事 我不喝了 It's all right.I don't need it.
继续工作吧 Let's just keep working.
弗兰切丝卡，你照我说的删除了和克里丝塔的往来邮件 Francesca, you did as I asked
弗兰切丝卡，你照我说的删除了和克里丝塔的往来邮件 and deleted any and all correspondence with Krista,
对不对？ correct?
我不知道 Um, I'm not sure.
我不确定 Uh, I'm-I'm... I'm not sure.
我再确认一下 I-I'll double-check.
施巴斯坦要离职了 You know,Sebastian's leaving us,
你能不能列一份合适的替换人员名单给我 and I wondered if you might, uh,
你能不能列一份合适的替换人员名单给我 compile a list of suitable replacements.
当然，你也可以加上自己的名字 Uh, of course, feel free to add your own name.
谢谢 -Thank you.
你约了和新来的大提琴手的午饭 Oh, your-your lunch with the new cellist.
噢 Oh.
本来想让你重新定个时间 Meant to have you reschedule that
安排在乐团评审以后 'til after the orchestra votes.
那我现在给她发消息 I'll text her now.
不 等等 No, wait.
不如去看看她有什么能耐吧 Might as well see what she's made of.
这些食物 This food.
黄瓜沙拉 相当好吃 The cucumber salad's,uh, very good.
是这家餐厅唯一值得一点的菜 It's kind of the only real option in this place
如果你是素食主义 if you're vegetarian.
你吃鱼肉吗？ Uh, do you eat fish?
算不上 Not really.
我们可以去别的餐馆 You know, we can go somewhere else.
比如“藏货厨房”（餐厅名） L-Like the Store Kitchen.
带新成员来这 算是乐队傻了吧唧的传统 I mean, it's... uh, it's kind of a silly tradition really
带新成员来这 算是乐队傻了吧唧的传统 that new members are brought here
跟往昔的亡魂一起吃晚饭 to sup with the ghosts of the past.
几乎所有亡魂都来过这，从拿破仑到贝多芬 I mean, at some point,everyone from... from Napoleon
都挤在这里的某张桌子上吃过饭 to Beethoven tucked in for a meal at one of these tables.
是的 还有克拉拉·蔡特金 Yes, and Clara Zetkin.
不知道她在哪张桌子上吃的 I wonder which one.
是谁？一位音乐家吗？ Who's that?It's a, uh, musician?
不是 她协助举行德国社会民主党的妇女运动 No. She helped found Social Democratic women's movement in Germany
Social Democratic women's movement：德国社民党女性运动
在希特勒当权之后 and KPD until Hitler came to power
KPD：德国共产党
她被流放到了前苏联 and she was exiled to Soviet Union.
克拉拉·蔡特金？ Clara Zetkin?
对 Yes.
每年三月八号 我们都在她的纪念碑前放花 Every March 8th, we place flowers at her plaque
在克林姆林宫墓地 in Kremlin Wall Necropolis.
Kremlin Wall Necropolis：克里姆林宫红场墓园, 位于俄罗斯首都莫斯科克里姆林宫红墙下
是她的生日吗？ Her birthday?
不是，是国际妇女节 No, International Women's Day.
你点好了吗 大师？ -Are you ready, Maestro?
-好了… -要俄式烤肉串和小牛肉 -Yes, uh... -Yes,first shashlik, then veal.
-你呢？ -黄瓜沙拉 -For you?-Cucumber salad.
-谢谢 -真好吃 -Thank you.-Good choice.
还要加点面包吗？ Some more bread?
嗯 Hmm.
真好吃 你要来一口吗 It's good. Would you like a bite?
不用 Oh, no.
不了 谢谢你 No. Thank you.
你在柏林住了很久吗？ Have you lived in Berlin long?
不 不久 No, not at all.
我在新克尔恩区有朋友 I have friends in Neukölln I visit
-乐团结果出来之前我都住在那 -嗯 -until I know decision of orchestra. -Hmm.
西蒙诺夫会保留你的职位吗 Simonov will hold your place?
Simonov：此处应指俄罗斯指挥家Yuri Ivanovich Simonov, 现任莫斯科爱乐乐团指挥
会 我觉得会 他是我的舅舅 Yes, I think so.He is my uncle.
噢 Oh.
但我的梦想是和柏林爱乐一起演奏 But my dream has always been to play with Berlin.
我也是 Oh, me, too.
柏林独一无二 There's nowhere like it.
我猜罗斯托罗波维奇是你的偶像 I imagine, uh, Rostropovich is a hero of yours.
Rostropovich：姆斯季斯拉夫·列奥波尔多维奇·罗斯特罗波维奇 俄罗斯大提琴演奏家、指挥家 他被许多人认为是20世纪最伟大的大提琴家
当然 他很棒 Well, of course, he was great.
我们在莫斯科音乐学院学过他 We study him at Moscow Conservatory,
但长大后我最喜欢的是杰奎琳·杜·普雷 but growing up, my favoriteis Jacqueline du Pré.
Jacqueline du Pré：杰奎琳·玛丽·杜·普蕾 OBE, 英国大提琴演奏家 其现场演奏的《埃尔加协奏曲》为油管上播放量最高的大提琴独奏
她让我想要去演奏大提琴 She made me want to play cello.
你听的她哪张唱片？ Which record was it?
不是唱片 是油管上的视频 Not record. YouTube.
埃尔加协奏曲 Elgar Concerto.
lgar Concerto：E小调大提琴协奏曲是爱德华·埃尔加最后的著名作品 也是一系列大提琴独奏曲目的奠基石
噢 对 Oh, of course.
巴伦博伊姆指挥伦敦交响乐团的那一场 With Barenboim conducting the London Phil.
Barenboim：丹尼尔·巴伦博伊姆, 犹太裔钢琴家、指挥家, 现居柏林
我并不知道是谁在指挥 I don't know who was conducting.
但是她让我感触很深 But she did something to me.
就是那时 我决定学习这曲子 That's when I decide to learn piece
和青少年乐团一起演奏 and play it with youth orchestra.
颇具挑战 你那会儿多大？ Quite a challenge.How old were you?
13岁 Thirteen.
哇哦 Wow.
我挺想听你的演奏 I'd love to hear it.
他们拍了视频 我发给你 They make video.I will text to you.
（合奏埃尔加《E小调大提琴协奏曲》，作品85号） (ensemble playing Elgar's Cello Concerto in E minor, Op. 85)
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我母亲的报纸每天早晨送到 Die Zeitung von meiner Mutter kommt jeden Morgen.
今天没收到 Die sind nicht da
在您那儿吗？ Haben Sie sie?
不在 Nein.
真的不在？ Wirklich nicht?
不在 不好意思 Nein, tut mir leid.
太美妙了 Beautiful.
非常感谢 Danke sehr
今天就先到这儿 Lassen wir es dabei
明天我们开始排回旋曲结尾. Morgen fangen wir mit dem Rondo-Finale an.
现在 在我们休息之前 Now, um, just before we break,
我知道你们一些人在想 I know many of you are wondering
这首曲子的姊妹篇会是什么 what the companion piece will be.
这个问题我想了很久 And I have been thinking quite a bit about it
我在想我们能否小小投票一下 and was wondering if we could just take
来决定是否要把《第五交响曲》 an informal poll about possibly pairing the Five
和《埃尔加协奏曲》放一起演奏 with Elgar's Cello Concerto.
太棒了！ Wunderbar!
埃尔加也是 Also Elger
鉴于我们共同经历了许多 Oh, and, uh, given what we've all been through,
未来还会携手并进 what we're still going through,
我们终于像一家人一样重聚于此 and we're finally back together as a family, I-I...
我觉得独奏者 ... I feel that maybe the soloist
应该来自我们自己的团队 should come from within our own ranks.
是的 -(excited chatter)-MAN: Yeah.
很好，好的 TÁR:Good. Okay, good.
抱歉 还有件事 Just... Sorry. (chuckles)One more question.
是关于你的 戈西娅 And this really is just for you, Gosia.
我是说 I mean...
一般来说 ... as a practical matter,I mean, this would
独奏肯定归你 normally fall to you.
但是考虑到马勒对你来说已经是重负 But given how much is gonna be asked of you with the Mahler,
我想你不会介意我们安排一轮演奏面试？ I-I wondered if you'd beat all bothered
我想你不会介意我们安排一轮演奏面试？ if we were to hold auditions?
这样不太正统吧 (chuckling):Well, that's a bit unorthodox.
但理论上我无权反对 But, in theory,I have no objection.
我唯一犹豫的点 是这些试奏的时间 My only hesitation will depend on
我唯一犹豫的点 是这些试奏的时间 when these auditions might take place.
我不希望试奏扰乱我们的分组练习进程 I wouldn't want them in any way
我不希望试奏扰乱我们的分组练习进程 to interfere with our sectionals.
你说得有道理 No, no, no. That's a good point.
肯定要全力以赴 I mean, it is gonna have to be a... (laughs)
肯定要全力以赴 It's gonna have to be a sprint.
周一怎么样？ How about Monday?
行 All right.
好的 很好 TÁR:Okay, good.
克努特 你周一能组织下到场人员吗？ Knut, would you assemble a quorum for Monday?
欢迎大提琴组的所有成员参加 Die ganze Cello-Gruppe ist eingeladen
让我看看她说的什么 WOMAN: Let me see what she says.
好的，我要走了 Okay, I got, I gotta go.
布莱塔 嗨 Britta, hi.
莉迪亚 Lydia.
我刚好赶上结尾 -Just caught the end.
你觉得怎么样？听起来还行吧？ What'd you think? How's it, uh,how's it sounding?
美妙极了 Oh, it's fantastic.
我等不及要看现场录制了 I can't wait until the live recording.
是吧 -Yes, well.-(kissing)
等录完我就舒畅了 I'll be happy when it's over.
是这样的 It's always that way.
我知道你很忙，不想增加你的负担 I know you're busy, and I don't want to add to your load,
但是… but...
安德里斯·戴维斯打来电话了 Andris Davis called.
他正不爽我调走了施巴斯坦 Look, he's upset I'm rotating Sebastian.
不不不 No, no, no, no, no.
是别的事情 Something else.
你选好施巴斯坦的替补人员之后 要告诉劳拉一声 But you will please let Laura know
你选好施巴斯坦的替补人员之后 要告诉劳拉一声 as soon as you have chosen his replacement
好让她去准备新闻稿 so she can prepare a press release.
好，当然会 Yeah, of course.
所以安德里斯为什么打电话来？ Uh, so what did he want?
为了抱怨他的司机不够准时 To complain about the punctuality of a driver
他好像以为司机是董事会给他配的 he seems to believe the board supplies him with.
你知道缘由吗？ Do you know anything about this?
知道 Yes.
其实是我花钱请的司机 No, it's just... it's just something I pay for.
那他为什么会认为是董事会请来的？ Then why does he believe it's the board?
因为我想让他那样觉得 Because he needs to believe that.
要让他… H-He needs to b...
要让他觉得自己没有被遗忘，布莱塔 needs to believe he hasn't been forgotten, Britta.
有学院以卡拉扬的名字命名 Uh, the academy has von Karajan's name on it,
柏林处处都是为阿巴多建的爱神殿 and there are love shrines to Abbado all over this place.
Abbado：克劳迪奥·阿巴多, 意大利指挥家, 曾任柏林爱乐指挥
但安德里斯·戴维斯 基本无处可寻 But the name of Davis, it's essentially nowhere to be seen.
好吧 All right.
或许可以让弗兰切丝卡跟司机说一下 Then perhaps Francesca could have a word with the driver.
当然了 Of course.
还有一件事 One other thing.
不太让人舒服的事 It's unpleasant.
哦，是吗？ Oh, is it?
运营资金有缺口？ Operational shortfall?
需要我再把斯文女士带出去喝酒吗？ Must I take Mrs. Sewing out to drinks again?
不不，跟乐团没关系 No, no, no, nothing to do with the orchestra.
你还记得手风琴学会 Do you remember an Accordion Academy fellow
有个叫克里丝塔·泰勒的人吗？ named Krista Taylor?
记得 怎么了？ Yes. Why?
她自杀了 Apparently,she committed suicide.
天啊 真可怜 Oh, God. Poor thing.
她的父母肯… Her parents mu...
等等 布莱塔 我有点疑惑 Wait, sorry,I'm... I'm confused, Britta.
为什么是你来跟我说这个坏消息？ Why, why were you put in the position
为什么是你来跟我说这个坏消息？ to deliver this terrible news?
为什么手风琴学会没有直接联系我？ Why didn't Accordion contact me directly?
这事儿很敏感 莉蒂亚 It's delicate, Lydia.
卡布兰先生觉得 跟手风琴学院产生交流之前 Mr. Kaplan thought it might be best
卡布兰先生觉得 跟手风琴学院产生交流之前 if you contacted a lawyer
最好先联系律师 before speaking with anyone at Accordion.
或许 也包括学院方的艾略特 Well, presumably, that anyone includes Eliot himself.
抱歉 我为什么要那样做？ I'm, I'm sorry, why-why would I need to do that?
很明显有人指控了你 Apparently, some accusations have been made.
指控？哪种指控？ Accusations? What kind of accusations?
他没说 He didn't say.
但指控被直接传达到了手风琴学会律师那边 But they were brought to Accordion's counsel.
卡布兰说不必有后顾之忧 Mr. Kaplan said he's certain nothing will come of it,
以防万一 还是小心为上 but one can't be too careful.
我很抱歉这个时候给您致电 我是莉蒂亚﹒塔尔 I'm sorry about the hour.It's Lydia Tár calling.
我现在急需和辛格先生联系 I need to speak to Mr. Singer immediately.
是我 Yes.
火烧眉毛了 Yes, it's urgent.
克里丝塔•塞德斯•泰勒，25岁
基斯科山人
她于11月7日在曼哈顿的默里山公寓意外去世
克里丝塔是一个备受爱戴的女儿、姐妹、
鼓舞人心的年轻指挥家克里丝塔•泰勒 ——音乐界一大损失
克里丝塔•塞德斯•泰勒，25岁，基斯科山人
于11月7日在她位于曼哈顿的默里山公寓意外去世。
克里丝塔是一个备受爱戴的女儿、
姐妹、朋友和中学导师
她的力量和气场光芒万丈
激发创造力
她是一位受欢迎的青年管弦乐队指挥...
累吗？ Tired?
睡意偷跑了 Sleep's elusive.
每回录制的前一天我也这样失眠 I was the same before a recording date.
莉蒂亚…… Lydia...
你真的铁了心这么对施巴斯坦吗？ are-are you absolutely certain about Sebastian?
嗯哼 Mm-hmm.
谁会接替他的位置？ Who will you replace him with?
可能是安德鲁﹒克斯特 Possibly Andrew Crust.
他在温哥华爱乐乐团里协助奥托﹒陶斯克了一段时间 He's been assisting Otto Tausk at the VSO.
不选那个女孩？ Not the girl?
安德里斯 Andris...
你有没有和学生或者同事之间…… ... have you ever had an issue
发生过什么 with a, a student or colleague,
就是对方可能误解了你的本意 where that person may have misinterpreted your intention?
难道是有人在暗地里对我发出指控？ Has someone been complaining about me?
那当然没有 -No, no, no, of course not.-Because at this point,
因为现在他们没机会了 -Because at this point, hey've missed their chance.
我早已是局外人了 'Im out of the game.
嗯 我明白 -I-Yes, yes, I know, I know.
你早已功成身退 Course you are.
感谢上帝我从未被赶下指挥台 Thank God I was never pulled from the podium
像吉米·莱文的下场 like Jimmy Levine.
Jimmy Levine：即James Levine 詹姆斯•莱文, 美国指挥家 2017年12月，莱文被指控性侵年轻男性音乐家 大都会歌剧院决定将其停职, 后与其解除关系 据报道，莱文的性骚扰行为可追溯至几十年前
或是人人喊打的查尔斯·迪图瓦那样 Or-or hunted like Charles Dutoit.
Charles Dutoit: 夏爾·杜特華, 瑞士指挥家 2021年12月有媒體披露夏爾·杜特華性侵 6名女音樂家及歌唱家 事件曝光後多個樂團暫停與杜特華的合作
你不会平白无故问起这件事 I take it you're asking for a reason.
不过是最近新闻里频繁报道的事 Well, there's just been so much of this sort of thing in the news lately.
呵 现在嘛 被指控就等于被定罪 Well, nowadays, to be accused is the same as being guilty.
不过应该和多年前富特文格勒面临的情况差不多 But I suppose that was also the case all those years ago with Furtwängler
卡拉扬也沾点儿那事 A bit with Karajan, too.
这两位谁指挥得更好？ Who was the better conductor?
我从未在富特文格勒的指挥下演奏过 I never played under Furtwängler.
我初来乍到时 那些资历很深的剧团成员 Yeah, when I first arrived here,the older members
观念略显激进 had, uh, hmm, hushed opinions.
他们想要摆脱所处时代的阴霾 At the same time, they wanted to leave that era behind.
当时是二战时期？ What, the war?
不 二战后 -No, postwar.-Ah.
除净纳粹的阴影 Denazification.
有人指一指你 Someone pointed a finger at you,
那一套整顿就得再来一遍 process started all over again.
富特文格勒从未入党 Furtwängler never joined the Party.
Furtwängler: 即Wilhelm Furtwängler 威廉·福特萬格勒 德国指挥家, 作曲家, 被公认为20世纪、甚至整个西方音乐史上最重要的指挥家之一
他拒绝行礼 Refused to give the salute
拒不指挥《霍斯特·维塞尔之歌》 or to conduct the"Horst-Wessel-Lied."
即使是在写给希特勒本人的信里 Or to sign his letters,"Heil, Hitler."
他也从未妥协写出“希特勒万岁！” Even those he wrote to Hitler.
但他没躲过那股“去纳粹化”的冲刷 But he was obliged to be denazified.
在那之后他就半截退休了 Until then, he was semiretired,
行尸走肉一副 playing corpses.
这是何意？ Playing corpses?
他暗自在一块坟地里表演 Secretly performing in a graveyard.
您莫不是在将性行为不端与被纳粹指控划等号吧？ You're not equating sexual impropriety with being an accused Nazi?
不管是哪种 你都得想好如何应对 Either way, you had to be ready.
多年来我确保衣柜里的所有衣架都朝向同一个方向 （将自己的秘密和算计只留给自己） For years, I made sure all the hangers in my closet were facing the same direction.
礼拜一有几个人来试演？ How many are auditioning on Monday?
没有人 No one.
没有人？ No one?
可能会有马丁吧 Maybe Martin.
他和戈西娅一直不太对付 He's never gotten along with Gosia.
他应该很乐意坐在台下表演一次 He would love to sit down stage for once.
啊这…… Well...
那反正他要走一下面试流程 he's still gonna have to audition.
那当然了 Of course.
规矩还是要遵守的 Have to follow the rules.
弗兰切丝卡，这是不是有点太正式了？ TÁR: Aren't we being a bit formal, Francesca?
据我所知来面试的只有一位对吗？ From what I understand,there's only one player, right?
不是的 大师 有两位 No, Maestro, there are two.
大提琴演奏埃尔加E小调大提琴协奏曲, 作品85 (cello playing Elgar's CelloConcerto in E minor, Op. 85)
一致通过了第二位表演者 Well, it's unanimous.Number two
不过有一个问题 And we have a problem.
她尚未正式成为乐团的成员 She's not officially been invited to become a member of the orchestra.
可她又不用只为我们独奏 Well, she wouldn't need to be to solo for us.
面试者的范围难道不是 I believe the criteria of the audition
仅限于乐团成员？ was all section members?
那行 她的面试表现作废好了 -Then her audition gets thrown out
别…… -No.
弗兰切丝卡 你把马丁叫回来吧 Francesca, please ask Martin to come back in
通知他通过面试了 so we can give him the news.
等等 戈西娅 我们协商一下吧 Wait. Gosia, let's talk.
这太他妈棒了！ Shit! (laughing)
哇哦—— (whooping loudly)
耶—— Yeah!
我会跟她确认一下彩排日期 I'll confirm solo rehearsal dates with her.
好的谢谢你 Thank you.
坐吧 Have a seat.
接替施巴斯坦的人选 I have made a decision
我已经决定好了 regarding Sebastian's replacement.
我想让你知道 做出这个决定并非易事 And I want you to know it wasn't an easy one.
身居其位 须承其重 Uh, this position brings with it enormous responsibility,
尽管我个人对你十分青睐 -and my personal affection for you aside...
但我还是想选择更有经验的人 ... I will have to go with someone more, more experienced.
别烦我了行吗？ Oh, leave me alone.
我没你要的那张报纸！ I don't have your paper.
早就告诉过你 我…… I've told you before, I...
天呐 真是不好意思 快请进 Oh, I'm sorry. Please come in.
很好 很好 Good. Good.
我觉得这种对比 现在更加强烈了 I-I think the contrast is,it's much better now.
你不觉得吗？ -Don't you think?-Hmm.
你喜欢喝什么咖啡？ How do you take your coffee?
浓黑咖 Black. Strong.
我可以弹琴吗？ Is all right if I play?
你尽管弹 Hmm? Oh, yes,of course, of course.
目前为止我只能写出这些 That's as far as I've gotten.
可是很好听啊 But it's good.
这部分的 Um, this part here.
如果把A换成降B呢？ Maybe change A to B-flat?
听起来好些 我很喜欢 That's better.I like that sound.
过来休息一下吧 Come on. Take a break.
好的 Okay.
莎朗？ Sharon?
您好 Hello.
莎郎和她姐姐出去了 Sharon ist mit ihrer Schwester unterwegs.
就看她们窃窃私语的样子 我敢说 So wie sie geflüstert haben, würde ich sagen,
她们没安好心 dass sie nichts Gutes im Schilde führen.
孩子在她自己房间里 Das Kind ist in seinem Zimmer.
柏蒂娜？ Petra.
你在这里面干嘛呢？ What are you doing in here?
我在躲着她 I'm hiding from her.
为什么？ Why?
因为她让我把我的东西放整齐 Because she told me to put my things in order,
可我的东西已经很有序了 but they already are.
是这样啊 I can see that.
出来吧 Come on.
他们都在等你 They're all waiting for you.
我要给每个人一支铅笔 I'm going to give everyone a pencil.
每个人？ All of them?
亲爱的 可不是每个人都能指挥 They can't all conduct, honey.
这可不是人人平等那一套 t's not a,it's not a democracy.
休息之后我们回到电子音符部分 Okay, nach der Pause gehen wir zurück zu elektro note (?)
非常感谢 Danke sehr!
非常感谢 Vielen Dank!
很好, 非常好 -Hey, that's good.-Yeah. Good.
开心吗？ -You happy?
您与泰勒女士认识多久？ How long were you acquainted with Miss Taylor?
这个嘛, 我需要和我的助理再次确认一下 Oh, I'd have to double-check with my assistant,
不过算起来 不会超过几个月 but cumulatively speaking,I'd say not more than a few months
谢谢您抽出时间, 大师——不必客气 -Thank you for your time,Maestro. -Not at all.
基于您与辛格先生之间的客户与委托人协议议 -This recording will exist on a protected server... -Mm-hmm.
这段对话的录音会保存在受到保护的服务器上 ... under attorney-client privilege with Mr. Singer.
他会与您保持后续的跟进 为您的证词作准备 -Great.-He will follow up with you to help prepare for the deposition.
证词？ Deposition?
是的 Yes.
我以为您已经知道了 I assumed you were aware.
辛格先生那边说他们一直和您的助理保持着沟通 Mr. Singer's office said they'd been coordinating with your assistant.
弗兰切丝卡 你最好现在立刻马上滚到我面前 Francesca, you'd better get your pretty little ass to work right now.
我们从弗兰切丝卡那获得的唯一联系是 The only communication we've received from Francesca
一封半夜发给我助理的邮件 was an email to my assistant in the middle of the night
她在信里提出立即请辞 tendering her immediate resignation,
她也说明了会保持联系 stating she would be in contact
如果她发现了更多可提供的信息 when she had more details to provide.
什么样的信息？ What kind of details?
我想可能是一个新地址吧 A new address, I suppose.
与此同时, 我们这一整个上午 In the meantime,we've been trying all morning
都在为您寻找助理的合适人选 to find someone suitable to assist you
为今之计 on a temporary basis.
您的指挥助理或许适合这个职位？ For now, perhaps your new assistant conductor would be the right fit.
不, 他在五号现场表演完之前都没时间 No. No. He's not available 'til after the live Five date.
嗯, 我完事了, 走吧 Yes, I'm ready. Let's go.
我知道你有多依赖她 I know how much you depended on her.
两面三刀的贱人 Two-faced little bitch.
塔尔 设身处地想想她的心情 Imagine her hurt, Tár.
你怎么敢为她辩解？——天呐 你慢点！ -Don't you dare try to defend her. -God, slow down!
她很快灰头土脸地滚回来 She'll come galumphing back.
和每个机器人一样 我也有一台破手机——塔尔 你慢…… -I mean, I've got a dumb phone like every robot. -Tár, s...
整天发发信息能有多难 -How hard can it be to text all day?
你能不能慢一点！ Slow down!-
不然就让我出去！ Or let me out!
弗兰切丝卡！ -Francesca!-
女士? Fräulein?
Fräulein：对未婚女性的德语敬语, 可与英语中的Miss和法语中的Mademoiselle相提并论
禁止入内！ Betreten verboten!
过来！跟我过来！过来！ Komm! Komm mit! Komm!
快点！ Schnell!
过来！ Komm!
快过来！ Come.
她要上去！ Sie muss darauf!
一切都会好起来的 亲爱的女士 Alles wird wieder gut, liebe Frau.
别抓手！ Nicht Hand!
别抓手 这儿 抓这个带子 这儿 Nicht Hand. Hier, hier der Gurt, hier.
走开 现在就走开 闪开 闪开！ Geh, geh jetzt, weg, weg!
闪开！ Weg!
对不起, 我又来晚了 Sorry I'm late again.
您平常住这儿吗？ D-Do you live here?
一般不住 Not normally, no.
随意点吧 Uh, make yourself at home.
我先去换件衣服 I'm just gonna put something on.
您这儿有毛巾吗？ Do you have a towel?
有——谢谢了 -Yes.-Thank you.
我正好赶上一场雨 I got caught in the rain.
有个小型音乐会 很多玩音乐朋友会去 There is small concert with musician friends.
您也来吧 You should come.
谢谢你, 但我…我得赶回家了 TÁR: Thanks, but I-I...really must get home.
您有孩子吗？——嗯 -You have child, yes?-Mm-hmm
我可没这打算 I will not do that.
对有些人来说, 养宠物比养孩子有意思 Pets are better for some people.
哇 -Oh.
什么…哇 What... Oh.
不好意思——再见 -Sorry.-Bye.
噢对，嗯，再见 -Oh, yes. Goodbye. Yes.
再见——嗯 -Goodbye.-Okay.
嗯——好的 -Oh.-Okay.
噢等一下奥尔佳！ Oh, Olga!
奥尔佳！ Olga!
奥尔佳？ Olga?
有人吗？ Hello?
奥尔佳？ Olga?
你为什么没找警察？ Why didn't you go to the police?
我们打了一架, 他逃了, 我该说什么？ I fought. He ran.What's to tell?
这可真是 Oh, God.
我去给你拿点止疼的东西 I'm gonna get you something for the pain.
不用, 我什么都不用 No, I don't need anything.
不, 我现在就去拿 No, I'm gonna get you something.
Ja.
你笑起来更好看. Du siehst schöner aus wenn du lächelst.
莉蒂亚！！ Lydia!
莉蒂亚！！！ Lydia!
怎么了？ What is it?
请抱住我的脚 Hold my foot.
这样好点了吗？ Is that better?
嗯 Yes.
请看这里 Hier schauen, bitte.
那好 Okay.
来, 我们先把屋里最呼之欲出的疑问解决了 Let's, uh, shoo the elephant from the room.
她的脸遭遇了什么？ "What the hell happened to her face?"
她准备做一场鼻子和眼睛的整形手术 "Did she, uh, schedule a nose and eye job
结果中途后悔了吗？ and bailed before the surgeon finished the other half ?
抱歉让你们失望了 No.
我被人袭击了 I was, uh, I was attacked.
多谢 Thank you.
我真的很好 I'm fine. Really.
你们该看看袭击我的人的惨样 -Should've seen the other guy.
好了, 来吧 All right.
第二乐章 Zweiter Satz
我们现在排过渡句第407小节带引子 Wir machen den Übergang Takt 407 mit Auftakt.
别碰！ Don't.
火辣辣地疼 It burns.
你得去看医生 You must see the doctor.
他下礼拜前都约满了 He's booked 'til next week.
别, 先别, 先把这些弄完 No, no, let's just,let's just finish up here.
可以吗？ Okay?
总体上的平衡是对的 Overall, the balance feels right.
与其急于提高 Other than a quick brush up,
我们更应该专注于埃尔加那块 we should concentrate on the Elgar.
你确定吗？ You're certain of that?
我确定 是这样 I think so. Yes.
那部分要很有力 absolutely rock-solid there,
不过我想试试把这种感觉留到这里 but I am going to try to hold them back here.
就是被权力羁绊住的感觉 Uh, they're just getting caught up in the power
这就跟你的滑音合上了 of your, uh, glissando in there, trying to match it.
或许…… Um, probably...
大师, 您是在哪儿被袭击的？ Where were you attacked,Maestro?
这不重要 Oh, doesn't matter.
给你 Here.
谢谢您 Thank you.
你回来了 There you are.
您什么时候摔的？——我记不得了 -When did this fall happen?-Uh, it's all a blur.
三四天前吧 Three, four days ago.
主要就是我的肩膀这里 It's just my shoulder. Yeah.
它有点灼热, 好像我在泳池边睡着了 It kind of burns,like I fell asleep by the pool.
好的, 您可以穿上衣服了 Okay, you can put your shirt back on.
您的有些神经受到损伤 You've damaged some nerves.
这些灼烧感医学上称为“感觉异常性背痛” The burning sensation you're feeling is called notalgia paresthetica.
N
乡愁？ Nostalgia?
是背痛, 没有s "Notalgia." No "S."
噢 那该怎么解决？——什么也不用做 -Well, how do we treat it?-You don't.
这种疼痛会自动消散 Eventually, it goes away.
有种矫正可能有用 因为您有某个部位扭到了 An adjustment might help.You're somewhat crooked.
哇哦, 那么你一定是个被犹太人剥削得体无完肤的黑皮玩意吧 Oh, well, then you must be a Negro product exploited by the Jews.
现在让我们把视线收回到那钢琴凳上 Now let's turn our gaze back to the piano bench up there
（视线停留在）一个非常热辣的年轻姑娘 to a super hot young woman.
噢这可真好啊 That's-that's...th-that was very good.
来, 你现在可以自慰了 Now, you could masturbate,
但你现在到底在对我干嘛呢？ but what are you actually doing to me?
布莱塔——我在 -Britta.-, hi.
你看了吗？——我刚刚看完 -Have you seen it?-Yes, yes. I've just seen it.
下午开个会吧 ... gathering this afternoon.
今天下午吗？——您没时间？ -This afternoon?-Is that a problem?
不是, 主要是…好的, 可以 No, just...No, it's no problem.
首先, 那堂课理应是在没有电子设备的环境下进行的 First of all, that class was conducted in a tech-free zone.
其次, 违反这个规定的学生 And second,whoever violated that rule
剪辑出来视频, 明显是在语言上设下了陷阱 edited what we've all seen to create linguistic traps
完全扭曲我的原话 to completely redefine my words.
只需要看看这些交替镜头里的学生 I mean, look at the reverse shots on the students.
他们完全不可能同时做出这些表情 There's no way that was done in real time.
这完全是对我的诋毁 It's a hatchet job.
我相信你说的都是真的 I'm sure that's true, Lydia.
但如果只是因为这个视频, 我们就不会坐在这里了 And were it just this video,we would not be sitting here.
很不幸这个视频链接着一篇 Unfortunately,it's linked to an article in
《纽约邮报》关于克里斯坦·泰勒自杀事件的文章 the New York Post regarding Krista Taylor's suicide,
New York Post：《纽约邮报》是一份美国的日报, 主要在纽约市和周边地区分销
文章暗示其他手风琴学会会员接受过采访 which alludes to other Accordion fellows they claim to have interviewed.
罗拉, 你能讲讲你和他们的谈话内容吗？ Laura, can you tell us about your conversations?
我还没跟他们交涉 We haven't had any.
很显然, 我们暂不予以回应 Obviously, we gave no response
因为我们首先应该开会讨论一下处理对策 -as we first wanted to meet to discuss strategy. -Mm-hmm.
文章在这儿——谢谢你罗拉 -Here's the article.-Thank you, Laura.
“诱奸数名女性， "Enticed and groomed multiple young women
假借许诺行业内提携之名行性侵之举 "to engage in sex acts for professional favors.
让那些不顺从的学员在业内无法立足” Blocked opportunities to those who didn't comply."
一派胡言 This is total fiction.
而且《纽约邮报》不过是恶意报道的惯犯 And the Post is a how-de-do scandal rag.
正经人根本不会看 No serious person reads it.
关于克里丝塔泰勒这个人嘛… And so far as Krista Taylor goes,
她像狗皮膏药一样 she was disturbed
她对我有种不知名的迷恋 I mean, she fixated on me.
哪种？ In what way?
她会送我很奇怪的东西 She sent me weird gifts.
她会在网上挑衅我 She trolled me online.
她试着向我传递一些信号——怎么样的信号？ -She tried to send me signals.-Well, what kind of signals?
她乱改我的维基百科, 在上面写她是我的缪斯 She vandalized my Wikipedia page to say she was my muse.
这些是很容易核实的, 对吧？ I mean,that's easily checked, right?
你有没有检举揭发她, 或者起诉她？ And did you ever report this or file a complaint?
没有 No.
我没有过 不过 看来我应该那样做 No. And I... Look, I probably,I probably should have.
我为她感到遗憾 I... I felt sorry for her.
这些你和莎朗谈过？ Is this something you shared with Sharon?
没有, 我不想给她带来负担 No. I didn't want to burden her with it.
你不觉得你应该告诉跟她吗？——是 你说的对 -Don't you think you should have? -Yes. Yes.
那么你的建议是？ Well, what-what do you advise?
目前为止这件事情还没掀起太大风浪 Well, for now, it hasn't gotten all that much traction.
行业内暂时没有受到牵连 也没要求回应 None of the trades have linked to it or called for comment.
所以我们还是静观其变吧 -So I say let's see what happens. -Mm-hmm.
不过我们希望您能尽可能地做好准备 We wanted to give you as much warning as possible, Lydia,
在礼拜五的捐助者见面会之前 before this Friday's donor meeting.
很遗憾我不能到场了 Well, unfortunately,I won't be there.
我觉得您应该到场 Well, I very much advise that you are.
我得在纽约开新书发布会 I have the book launch in New York
当然, 还要录一份口供 and apparently a deposition.
好吧 您回来之后我们再告知具体细节 Well, we'll fill you in upon your return, then.
周末愉快 Enjoy your weekend.
饿死啦 Starving.
破事都搞定了 Finished my thing today.
恭喜啊 我们应该出去庆祝一下 Congratulations.We should go out and celebrate.
去不了 我得整行李 I can't. I gotta pack.
你好呀 莉蒂亚 -Hi! - Lydia.
莎朗？ TÁR:Sharon?
嗯？ Yeah?
你看见过我表演的谱子吗？ You seen my performance score?
没有啊 怎么了？和其他谱子放在一起吗？ No. Why?Isn't it with the other ones?
不在 No. No, it's not.
你确定它不在我的办公室里吗？ Are you sure it's not in my office?
好的 那乐团图书馆呢？ Yeah, what about the orchestra library?
是吗？麻烦你再找一遍吧 辛苦了 Yeah, can you check again, please?
我不知道 对 就是这个 I don't know. Yes, exactly.
怎么了？ Yes?
你什么时候回来？ When will you be back?
后天就回来 The day after tomorrow.
说话算数吗？ Will you promise?
嗯 保证算数 Yes, I promise.
晚安——好梦 -Good night.-Good night.
谢谢您 请问有酒吗？ Thanks.Do you have any bottles?
当然 Of course.
在我关门之前 您还有需要的吗？ Do you need anything else before I close the cabin door?
有的 我在等另一个人 Uh, yes.Uh, we're waiting on one more.
关于您与克里丝塔以及其人之间的往来的 to all my questions pertaining to your communications
任何问题 with Krista Taylor and others,
你只回答了 your answers have always been
“我不知道”或者“我不记得”。 "I don't know"or "I don't remember."
有什么资料我们可以给到你才能唤起你的记忆？ Is there anything I could show you that might help refresh your recollection?
随便什么记录，比如你的往来邮件 Any documents,such as emails from you
您的私人助理伦蒂尼小姐 or your personal assistant,Miss Lentini,
这可能有助于你想起你说过和没说的话 that might help you recall what you did and didn't say?
我猜你已经听说了 I guess you heard by now.
你的事从莱克公园到53大道闹得沸沸扬扬 Bryant Park bumped you to 53rd Street.
这是卡布兰基金会的声明 This is the Kaplan Fund's prepared statement.
我很遗憾 I'm sorry to say this is likely
这或许是我们最后一次见面了 the last time we'll see each other.
那我现在可以自己买机票了 Well, now I can buy my own plane tickets.
你可以开始摇尾乞怜其他人带你上指挥台 And you can bother someone else to try and teach you to crawl to podium
这里有后门可以走吗？ Is there a back entrance?
“确实, 常用来阐释音乐的隐喻 "Indeed, the common metaphor is used to explain music
是基于这样的观点 are based on the idea
音乐是一种语言 that music is a language
尽管它是一种加密的语言 "albeit a secret one.
是这样的神圣而不可知 "And in this way, holy and unknowable.
我们制造出的这些令人愉悦的声响 "These joyful noises we make being the closest thing
是我们可能体验到最接近神圣的东西 "any of us might ever experience to the divine...
…但那只是使空气振动而诞生的 "... yet something born by the mere act of moving air.
她讲得怎么样？
有点失了魂
如果她使用寓言, 我就去死
与鸟鸣无异” No different than birdsong."
那 我们半小时后楼下见 去吃晚餐？ So, meet downstairs in half an hour for dinner?
谢谢 但我有点时差 我现在要去睡了 Thank you, but I am jet-lagged. I go to sleep now.
好 我也是 我也……可能是一样 Yeah, me, too. I'll... probably do the same.
你好 Yes, hello.
是的 我的房间里没有饮用水 Yes, there's no water in my room.
是的 我已经看过迷你吧了 Yes, I've checked the minibar.
多久能送来一瓶水？ How long would it take to get a bottle of water?
算了 我还是下来吧 Uh, don't worry. I'll just come down.
请帮我按到大厅 Lobby, please.
哦 天哪 Oh, Jesus.
布莱塔多嘴了吧 It was Britta.
对吧？ Right?
这就是你听说过的 I mean, that is how you heard about
这些千禧一代的家伙们满嘴谎言 these millennial robots trading in lies.
我一点也不关心在茱莉亚音乐学院发生的事情 I couldn't care less about the Juilliard thing.
游手好闲 Too much time on her hands.
她是个边缘人 She's fringe.
最糟糕的那种 The worst kind.
每次我走出这间房子 Every timeI walk out of this house,
她就开始在我耳边喋喋不休 she's in your ear with intrigue or she's asking me about
另一个边缘人萨曼莎·汉基的故事 some other piece of fringe,like Samantha Hankey.
Samantha Hankey：萨曼莎·汉基，美国女中音歌唱家
老天 一个无名小卒 没其他事做 God, a nobody who has nothing better to do
只会在午餐时提到我的名字来含沙射影 than drop my name at lunch and imply things.
我为你感到遗憾 I feel sorry for you.
省省吧 Save it.
我昨晚有打给你 I tried calling you last night.
你和她玩得开心吗？ Did you have fun with her?
我的背痛得要命 My back is killing me.
弗兰切丝卡走了 Francesca left,
我不过是需要一个人帮忙提包 and I simply needed someone to carry my bags.
我还能指望谁跟我一起去？ I mean, who was I supposed to ask to go with me?
嗯？克努特？ Hmm? Knut?
该死的... Jesus fucking...
我在处处容忍你 There are many things I accept about you.
到最后 And in the end,
我也确信自己可以熬过来 I'm sure I could get over something like this.
但我们现在要聊的不该是这些 对吧？ But that's not what we're talking about, is it?
而是这些指控 These accusations
来自那个自杀女孩的父母的指控？ from the parents of the girl who suicided?
你真的相信他们的话吗？ You honestly believe what they're saying?
那全都是谎言 They're lies.
你可以理解昨天我走到我的位置时 Do you understand what it was like to walk into my sectional yesterday
听见每个人都在低声谈论我 是什么样的感受吗？ and to see everybody whispering about me?
这和他们对你的指控没有一点关系 It's got nothing to do with what they're accusing you of.
这件事很简单 It's a simple matter
就是你没有警告我 我们的家已经处在危险之中 of not warning me that our family is in danger.
我那样做了有什么好处？ And what good would that have done?
你能做什么让事情好起来？ I mean, what could you possibly do to make things better?
因为我应该知情 Because I deserve that.
这是规矩 Those are the rules.
你应该向我寻求该死的建议 You are to ask for my fucking counsel,
一如既往地那样 the way you always have.
就像你第一次到这里时表现的那样 The way you did when you first arrived here
当时你还只是一个寻求永久职位的客座指挥 as a guest conductor looking for a permanent position.
你问我个中权力逻辑 You asked me what were the politics,
要怎么做才能成功 what were the moves,how could we swing it.
当然... Of course...
这些谈话发生在另一张床上 these conversations took place in another bed.
或者说 另一把躺椅上 Or rather, the couch
就在那个你现在还放不下的可怕地方 of that horrible place you still can't let go of.
又提陈年旧事 Old sorrow blows in.
你把我们的关系看待成一种交易 实在太无情了 How cruel of you to define our relationship as transactional.
你只有一种关系是不带交易性质的 There's only one relationship you've ever had that wasn't.
她就睡在隔壁的房间 And she is sleeping in the room next door.
而你根本就没想到这回事 Apparently, this hasn't even crossed your mind.
柏蒂娜! Petra!
快过来 亲爱的 Come here, darling.
-真棒 -是吗？ -It was good.-Was it?
-嗯 -你想去公园吗？ -Yeah.-You want to go to the park?
别这样 求你了 别这样做 Don't do this. Please don't do this.
别这样 Please don't.
你好 我是Anna Franzen Hello. I am Anna Franzen.
这是我已故母亲的公寓 This is my late mother's apartment.
哦 我对你母亲的去世感到抱歉 Oh, yeah, I'm so sorry about your mother.
谢谢 Thank you.
你姐姐怎么样了？ How's your sister doing?
埃莉诺现在住在新克尔恩区的一家机构里 Eleanor lives now in a facility in Neukölln.
很抱歉打扰你 I'm sorry to trouble you,
但是我丈夫和我打算卖掉这套房子 but my husband and I are selling the place
也听到了音乐声 and couldn't help hearing the music.
噢 Oh.
很高兴你们喜欢 I'm glad you enjoyed it.
我们在想你是否有特定的排练时间 We were wondering if there are specific hours you rehearse
我们好根据那个时间安排看房 so we can schedule showings around them.
我们可不想让潜在的买家 We don't want to scare potential buyers off
被这噪音给吓跑了 with all the noise.
不 Oh, no.
不会的 No.
不会的 我们都不想的 No, we wouldn't want that.
♪ 公寓出售 ♪ :♪ Apartment for sale ♪
♪ 公寓出售 ♪ ♪ Apartment for sale ♪
♪ 你老母 埋地里 ♪ ♪ Your mother's buried deep ♪
♪ 你的心 只惦记 ♪ ♪ And now you're gonna keep ♪
♪ 公寓出售 ♪ ♪ Her apartment for sale ♪
♪ 你老姐在坐牢 ♪ ♪ Your sister's in jail ♪
♪ 你把老姐关监狱 ♪ ♪ You put your sister in jail ♪
♪ 你们全家下地狱 ♪ ♪ You're all going to hell ♪
♪ 公寓出售 ♪ ♪ Your apartment's for sale! ♪
好的 Okay.
请看这里 Hier schauen, bitte.
大家看我 Give me some eyes.
快 看我 -Come on, give me some eyes!
莉蒂亚 Lydia.
这是我的曲子 This is my score.
莉蒂亚你糊涂了 Lydia, you're confused.
这是我的曲子！ It's my score!
你这该死的废物！ You fucking little nothing!
我没事 I'm fine.
签一下CAMI公司的优惠券 You sign CAMI voucher.
下午好 这里是CAMI Good afternoon. CAMI.
CAMI：Columbia Artists Management, Inc. 哥伦比亚艺术家管理公司是国际人才管理机构
稍等 Hold on.
通常情况下 预定部门的丽莎·瑞琪会特别跟你合拍 Normally, I'd think Lisa Rich in our booking department would be a great fit for you
但是她手上已有太多活儿 but she's just got too much on her plate.
所以 我想让你与杰克组队 So, I'd like to team you with Jake here.
杰克 你想给莉蒂亚展示 Jake, you want to,you want to show Lydia
你为她准备了些什么？ what you've prepared for her?
呃… Well...
现在一切从头再来 right now it's a reset.
我们要做的只会更少 不会更多 What we're after is less,not more.
我们会仔细斟酌 We want to be selective
一切从零重建 and rebuild this from the ground up.
我们要谱写新篇章 That means we need a new story.
就这里 Just here.
这儿 谢谢你 Here. Thank you.
就40块吧 Make it 40.
谢谢 Thank you.
感受到这一阵胜利了吗？ Didn't you feel triumphant?
我们现在能真正领会音乐的奥义 Now we can really understand what the meaning of music is.
它是你在聆听音乐时产生的感觉 It's the way it makes you feel when you hear it.
终于 我们跨越了这一大步 Finally, we've taken that last giant step.
我们聚集在此 领略到音乐的真谛 And we're there. We know what music means now.
我们不必太清楚那些琐碎繁杂的名称 And we don't have to know a lot of stuff about sharps
什么半升音 降半音 和弦… and flats and chords and all that business
只需要领会音乐所要传达给我们的信息 in order to understand music if it tells us something.
最为美妙之事 无疑是音乐的包容万象 And the most wonderful thing of all is that there's no limit to
音乐带来不同感受 the different kinds of feelings music can make you have.
一些过于独特 过于深刻的感受 And some of those feelings are so special and so deep
言语也不能尽其意 that they can't even be described in words.
我们时常不能准确地遣词表述内心感受 You see, we can't always name the things we feel
有时候可以 Sometimes we can.
我们能表达感受到的愉悦 We can say we feel joy,
感到满足、平和 或是充满爱、恨 pleasure, peacefulness,whatever, love, hate.
但总会有那么一次 But every once in a while,
内心中矜奇沉静的感受 we have feelings that are so deep and so special
再也无法言喻 that we have no words for them.
音乐的崇高就此体现 And that's where music is so marvelous,
音乐能将其一一述说 because music names them for us,
用音符代替语言表达 only in notes instead of in words.
一切尽在音乐律动之中 It's all in the way music moves.
永远不要忘记 音乐是律动 You must never forget that music is movement,
总是要移动、转换、变化 always going somewhere, shifting and changing
从这个音符流转到另一个 and flowing from one note to another.
这些律动曲尽其妙 -(crying)-And that movement can tell us
胜过千言万语 more about the way we feel than a million words can.
再此我们想为大家演奏… And here we're going to play you a...
托尼 Tony.
噢 Oh.
嗨 琳达 Hi, Linda.
对不起 Sorry.
你现在是莉蒂亚 Lydia.
妈妈说你玩完了 Ma said you'd be over.
你一定在东躲西藏 You must be hiding out.
为什么我要躲起来？ Why would I be hiding out?
好赢过我 Beats the hell out of me.
不关我事了现在 None of my business anyhow.
还有一堆烂摊子要收拾 你得清楚 Lot of loose ends,you got to admit.
什么意思？ What do you mean?
呃 我说了 不关我事 Well, like I said,it ain't my business.
看起来你还没搞懂 你是从哪儿灰溜溜地回来 But you don't seem to know where the hell you came from
也不知道该去哪里 or where you're going.
我可以进来吗？ May I come inside?
谢谢 Thank you.
十分抱歉 Um, I'm so sorry.
我们最终确认了 Uh, we just wanted to confirm that the composer was in fact
作曲者不会专程从大阪飞过来 not flying in from Osaka to attend the concert.
噢 Oh.
我想告诉你 我找遍了音乐类书架 I-I must tell you that I-I looked in the music libraries,
也没有找到她的曲谱 uh, for her score,but I-I couldn't find anything.
这才刚到 -This just arrived.-Ah.
太好了 感谢 That's great. Thank you.
雪莉和西里奥十分乐意带你去看看我们国家的秀丽风景 Shirley and Cirio will be most happy to show you the sights of our beautiful country.
噢 谢谢 - -Oh. Thank you.
十分感谢 -Thank you so much.
噢 天哪 Oh, goodness.
谢谢 谢谢你们 Thank-thank you.
或许我们可以中途停一停 游个泳 Maybe we could stop somewhere and take a swim.
可以游 到了瀑布再说 Yeah, at the waterfall.
但不要在河里游 But, mm, not in the river.
为什么？河水有什么问题吗？ Why? Is there something wrong with the water?
不是河水 是水里的鳄鱼 N-No. There are crocodiles.
噢 Oh.
我没想到他们在这么内陆的地方 I didn't think they'd be this far inland.
它们是从马龙·白兰度的电影里跑出来的 They escaped from Marlon Brando movie.
Marlon Brando：马龙·白兰度，生于美国内布拉斯加州，美国电影男演员、社会活动家
此处提到的电影是 The Freshman (1990)
哇 Wow.
那可是很久以前了 That was a long time ago.
它们活到了今天 They survive.
女士！女士！ -Lady. Lady.
这是你的处方药 Here is prescription.
-十元 -谢谢你 -Ten dollars.-Oh. Thank you.
这附近有没有 -谢谢- Uh, is there somewhere around here-- thank you--
可以做按摩的去处？ where I could get a massage?
以便调整一下我的时差 Was hoping it might help me with this jet lag.
呃… Hmm.
有的 Yes.
这是一家很好的按摩店 There is the very nice place I know.
谢谢 Thank you.
请站到鱼缸那里去 Please step over to the fishbowl.
鱼……缸？ The... the fishbowl?
对 在那边 Yes, over there.
呃… 对不起 我不太明白 Um, I'm sorry, I'm confused.
这……是个什么流程？ H-How does this...how does it work?
在这儿选一个数字 You just pick a number here.
我选一个数字？ I pick a number?
对 Yes.
五号吗？ Number five?
早上好 Good morning.
在我们开始前 先讨论一下 Now, before we begin,let's-let's talk a bit about
作曲者在这部作品中的意图 the composer's intent with this piece.
和她所寄予的 And what she might be after.
最后五分钟 Five minutes.
谢谢 -Thank you
“第五舰队”的兄弟姐妹们 是时候了 Sisters and brothers of the Fifth Fleet, it's time.
我的道别不会太冗长 I'll keep my farewell brief.
绝无半句赘述之言 Never was much with words.
一旦踏上这艘船 将无回头路可走 Once you board this ship,there's no turning back.
你们下一次触地 将会在“新世界”的疆土之上 The next ground your feet touch will be that of the New World.
如果你们失去了出发的勇气 If any of you have lost your nerve,
现在就离开 无人评判 then step away now and let no one judge you.